Originally Posted by Kaffe
Lol, I actually said that very same thing earlier in the thread. Nevertheless, I have a policy of never betting flakes when they might have a reason to be flaky.
All in all, I am being gigantic pussy with this card. I have arbed Grispi and have cold feet about playing Sass straight.
Don't really see much value in the lines atm. Especially compared to a line like Maia at +175 on the last card for example. Or Okami at -115 vs Belcher. Now those were awesome lines.
That is of course not to say that there aren't lines with heaps of value on this card. Just that I fail to see them this time.
Hey Kaffe, has anyone stopped to think that Grispi's not a flake and instead he's just not as good as everyone hyped him up to be? I mean, how can you be a flake when you've never been a proven winner?
A flake is someone like Jaime Varner who undoubtedly has the talent to be top 5 in his weight class yet inexplicably can't get by the likes of a Kamal Shalorus; or drops fights to lesser quality opposition such as ½
male pornstar Dakota Cochrane; or finding ways out of a contest you're starting to fade in like the Cowboy fight; or suddenly and inexplicably puking backstage minutes before you're set to fight on PPV. That,
IMO is the epitome of a flake.
At least to my knowledge, Grispi has done nothing to warrant the monicker of flake. Indeed, Grispi has lost fights he was supposed to win, but he was only suppose to win b/c we were told he was suppose to win. It isn't like Grispi has ever held a title or reeled off 30 straight only to oddly begin losing to a cast of bums he should be crushing. FFS, Grispi is only 24 y/o right now! Dude's a pup in the game. Perhaps the spotlight was shown to bright to soon; for Grispi has truly not earned the outlandish accolades being thrown at his feet after the WEC/UFC merger.
Let's be clear, Grispi was considered the 145 lb #1 contender merely for defeating Micah Miller, L.C. Davis, Mark Hominick, and an archaic Jens Pulver; now don't get me wrong, for a 22/23 y/o kid those are impressive fucking scalps to hang on your mantle, but those wins should have signified nothing more than promise. That is to say, at 24 y/o with those aforementioned wins on his resume, Grispi demonstrated star potential to be certain, but to all the sudden be labeled a flake or a bust after losing to savages like Dustin Poirier, George Roop, and Rani Yahya seem counterintuitive. Sure, Grispi lost to George Roop, BFD! Guess who else lost to Roop? The #1 FW contender Chan Sung Jung. Shit happens when you're fighting these animals.
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think Andy Ogle's record would look like had his last 7 opponents been: Rani Yahya, George Roop, Dustin Poirier, L.C. Davis, Jens Pulver, Micah Miller, and Mark Hominick as opposed to facing Akira Corassani, Shay Walsh, Antanas Jazbutis, Stewart Gillham, Jay Furness, Phil Flynn, and Matt Eynon.
Think Ogle makes it t the UFC w/ Grispi's resume? Yea, see, in 2010 when Ogle was prepping for the dangerous 0-2 Matt Eynon you had Grispi readying himself for then 16-3 L.C. Davis. Then in 2011 when Andy was training for the ferocious 0-1 Stewart Gillham, again you has Grispi preparing to lock horns with then 9-1 Dustin Poirier in his Octagon debut. My point is that Ogle and Grispi have been living in two different worlds, and while Grispi has lost 3 in a row, they weren't losses to Stewart Gillham and/or Matt Eynon - they were to top 5 competition or MMA vets.
I think everyone has been to critical of a talented yet immature Grispi, and on Saturday I anticipate him showing there are levels, and the level he's on is a level Ogle has never even payed at before.