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Old 02-12-2013, 04:12 PM   #1
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Freddie Roach shares funny story about Macho Camacho



Freddie roach shares a funny story about the time he fought camacho and camacho's trunks went missing. Freddie is a good guy, chuckles that he only won one round.

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Old 02-12-2013, 04:15 PM   #2
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In before Cuban143, Texasdrugaddict and others attempt to malign Freddie Roach's career and fighter/trainer bash him.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:09 PM   #3
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thank you, I've been more obsessed than usual with Hector, watching his fights over, over and over again. Everyone who knew his says pretty much the same thing, that he was a good guy and that his problems caught up to him, no one has a spiteful thing to say about him. Another thing, even with his death most people are forgetting that at one time he was ranked by most boxing mags/people in the top 3 pound for pound, unfortunately that period was too brief and he never grew into his full potential. Most people thought he'd be a sure all time great. If you want to see an amazing fighter don't watch anything after the Ramirez fight, all his fights before that he was almost always dazzling, showing power and speed both. In fact, most of his fights were ending with sensational kayoes when he was in this period. The writers who knew him since the beginning say that drugs were there from the start and he did have a couple offnites and of course the long, long layoffs during his twenties which eroded his skills and reflexes, just the fact that he went through the best lightweight, jr. lightweight prospects at the time and very good contenders, kayoing MOST of them and then not scoring another real kayo for several years after this indicates something had changed. They always blame rosario, I've thought about that alot, maybe it was but I think he just wasn't hungry after the brief period and that Rosario may have even emphasized this but he wasn't fighting the same by that time. I always say he was just like Tyson (who I've always believed was a student of Macho's style) both wasted time and talent.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:28 PM   #4
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Freddie roach shares a funny story about the time he fought camacho and camacho's trunks went missing. Freddie is a good guy, chuckles that he only won one round.
I've got a lot of time for Freddie. Even though I take a grain of salt with a lot of what he says because he is clever the way he works the media.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:34 PM   #5
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thank you, I've been more obsessed than usual with Hector, watching his fights over, over and over again. Everyone who knew his says pretty much the same thing, that he was a good guy and that his problems caught up to him, no one has a spiteful thing to say about him. Another thing, even with his death most people are forgetting that at one time he was ranked by most boxing mags/people in the top 3 pound for pound, unfortunately that period was too brief and he never grew into his full potential. Most people thought he'd be a sure all time great. If you want to see an amazing fighter don't watch anything after the Ramirez fight, all his fights before that he was almost always dazzling, showing power and speed both. In fact, most of his fights were ending with sensational kayoes when he was in this period. The writers who knew him since the beginning say that drugs were there from the start and he did have a couple offnites and of course the long, long layoffs during his twenties which eroded his skills and reflexes, just the fact that he went through the best lightweight, jr. lightweight prospects at the time and very good contenders, kayoing MOST of them and then not scoring another real kayo for several years after this indicates something had changed. They always blame rosario, I've thought about that alot, maybe it was but I think he just wasn't hungry after the brief period and that Rosario may have even emphasized this but he wasn't fighting the same by that time. I always say he was just like Tyson (who I've always believed was a student of Macho's style) both wasted time and talent.
The Rosario excuse is the single dumbest anecdote/myth/ect. in all of boxing.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:50 PM   #6
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The Rosario excuse is the single dumbest anecdote/myth/ect. in all of boxing.
I thought so too for years but there is no doubt something drastically changed. The Rosario excuse is one of those things that people repeat and repeat until it's accepted as fact though so I don't know. Macho did say the next morning after the fight that "if this is Macho I want nothing to do with it". So who knows. I do know he didn't fight the same way even in that fight or even in the Ramirez fight, or even in the Cubanito Perez fight which a lot of people thought he lost. In the Rosario/Ramirez fight he began to use his jab as a warning rather than the stiff punch that it was before, just waving it out there without being anywhere close to the opponent. When he was young and hungry most people assumed we had a rising superstar/future great on our hands. Everyone thought he'd take sugar Ray's place. When you consider the whole package, he had more to offer than any of us knew at the time, incredible physical toughness and a great chin, he actually should have been kayoed by Chavez and even Delahoya but he had enough pride to take beatings how many fighters who fought as long as he did haven't been kayoed? I can't think of any.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:57 PM   #7
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:07 PM   #8
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:16 PM   #9
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..."could have gone down as one of the best pound 4 pound fighters of all time"?

Dude is a P4P great no matter what

It's just a shame that most people remember Camacho as the guy who took a beating from Chavez, by the time he fought Chavez he was just passed his prime and his best weight class, and to think, that was one of the highest grossing PPV's of all time, didnt it set records?

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:51 PM   #10
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I hear that it changed the face of boxing in mexico forever it was so huge. He was past his prime but really shouldn't have been, the lifestyle, the layoffs, eroded his skills and he just wasn't hungry anymore. It's eye opening to see some of the footage of him from early, early, pre-tv fights where he was just vicious, mean, a punk(I mean that in the only positive way it can be meant)he was just hungry to make a name and some money, once that's done, some guys change. He stopped standing in the line of fire and throwing hard punches after he won a title and got some money. In the Chavez fight, he had nothing to fight with, his defense wasn't the same (remember, he was a defensive wiz at first) and he was getting hit by lead rights which would never have caught him as a kid. He wasted his best years and fought way too long even against top champions like Delahoya and Trinidad. By that point his antics had long since made everyone forget how singular his gifts were. No one will put him in the all time pfp but he will always have his fans like me who'll never forget him. I got sick to my stomach for weeks every time I thought about him. I mean, when a guy who influenced your life the way he did mine, it's horrible to see them die, just horrible, like watching a part of yourself die and really feeling fucking old.

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