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Old 02-08-2013, 05:30 PM   #1
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The Philosophy of Jiu-Jitsu -Volume 3: Defense First

After my somewhat controversial 2nd Volume about "The Jiu-Jitsu Body" I've decided to discuss a topic that I think will not be as alienating or open to misinterpretation as the prior one (at least I hope so)

http://www.fightliveshare.com/traini...defense-first/

When I first began training Jiu-Jitsu I wanted nothing more than to get a submission, as in my mind I saw this as the entire point of the sport (to submit my opponent). I had a mental concept that by getting a submission I would somehow be self-validating all the time and effort I was putting into training. Because of this way of thinking I started my BJJ career by throwing up reckless arm-bars and triangles, going for chokes that were not deep or secure, and other such reckless attempts at finishing moves. Even against white belts these tactics failed me consistently; against higher belts, I was punished with devastating counters that led to me being dominated or submitted (i.e. spinning top-side arm-bars off of a lose half-guard Kimura from the bottom, wrist-locks from shallow clock-choke attempts, passes to knee-on-belly than mount from reckless high-guard submission attempts).

It was literally as if the harder I tried to submit someone, the easier I became to get submitted. This was due to a combination of things – my lack of technical experience, my lack of training time, and my lack of physical conditioning. However, and most importantly, it was my lack of understanding the concept of “Defense First” that was leading to me exposing myself in rash attempts to get submissions. I was trying to run a sprint when I was actually competing in a marathon and my initial inability to shift my focus off of offense led to me being submitted more times than I can count.

Chapter 4 of Sun Tzu’s famous “The Art of War” is about Tactical Dispositions and his first two points are:

1. The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.
2. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

These two points are brilliant when it comes to the essential core of the tactical disposition of fighting, whether in martial arts or traditional warfare. You can’t submit an opponent by creating an opportunity that doesn’t exist, it is your opponent who must create the opportunity for you (you can of course bait your opponent into presenting the opportunity or he/she might make a mistake on his/her own and create it for you).

If your opponent is skilled in the tactics of Jiu-Jitsu, these brief openings for attacks need to be patiently scouted and then attacked with precision. If not you will attack with the inappropriate technique or when the moment has passed and will create an opening in turn for your opponent. That is the essence of a “counter,” since it capitalizes on an attack by turning it into a weakness for the person on the offensive. At higher levels of the game the players are thinking multiple steps ahead in what both they and their opponent will be doing. As a white belt you are usually stuck playing checkers, while higher belts are typically playing chess.

This is why it is critical that white-belts (and even some blue-belts as well) first learn proper defense above all else – if you make yourself very difficult to attack or submit it will make it more likely for your opponent to force moves and take chances. This ultimately leads to your opponent exposing vulnerabilities that weren’t previously there before (“openings”). Without these openings you rely on using your physical attributes and basic techniques without any set-ups to carry you through on attacks, making the likelihood of getting taps very low.

There are of course some exceptions; some people have amazing speed and/or strength and when they learn a move that is effective for their game they might be able to hit it on people with a good success-rate, even higher belts. However, everyone you train with over a period of time begins to understand your game more and more; what your tendencies are, what positions you prefer, and where you are comfortable/uncomfortable. If you rely on a few specific finishing moves that are mainly successful because of your physical attributes, soon your less physically gifted opponents will pick up on this trend and begin to prevent it. Higher belts and those with the same physical gifts will probably end up using these moves against you as the set-up and technique become predictable they can learn to effectively counter it.

This is why people commonly say that true Jiu-Jitsu is chess and not checkers; at higher levels of the sport you need to be able to transition quickly from defense to attack to defense to attack, since you get in the beautiful cycle of where there is a counter to every counter. The person with the most depth of knowledge in these maneuvers and ability to effectively transition between the techniques has the clear advantage, while the person who relies on finishing the one technique they always go for and set-up in identical fashion will soon find them being dominated in the transitions.

I once described true Jiu-Jitsu as an endless series of transitions between positions, with flowing attacks and defense from both opponents creating a whirlpool of technique until one opponent gets drowned in the swirling waters. It is only when we have mastered the art of successfully defending ourselves can we truly feel comfortable jumping into such a whirlpool; until then, the best way we progress is by trying to focus on not drowning so quickly. As martial arts are meant to teach the concept of “Self-Defense,” concentrate first on mastering the art of defense and quickly you will find the offensive part of the game will open up to you with much greater effect.

I hope you enjoyed reading and welcome all thoughts/criticisms.

If you would like to check out Volume 1: Conserving Energy -

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12...nergy-2366901/

If you would like to check out Volume 2: The Jiu-Jitsu Body -

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12...-body-2374167/


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Old 02-09-2013, 09:04 PM   #2
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I agree but also disagree. My coach always told me this:

You can never beat an opponent with strictly defense; You can only prolong getting beat.

While having a good defense may expose your opponent, you have to be very proficient with your offense to terminate a match. You do not get proficient at offense by being defensive.

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I agree but also disagree. My coach always told me this:

You can never beat an opponent with strictly defense; You can only prolong getting beat.

While having a good defense may expose your opponent, you have to be very proficient with your offense to terminate a match. You do not get proficient at offense by being defensive.
Totally agree.

I've always kinda thought of it like you would play a strategy game. You want to build up your base, establish a defense. But once that's done, you take it to the front lines.
You want to have the best defense for any attack that might get sent your way, but you can't win if you never leave your walls.

Or, just zergling rush like Magrid Hage.

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Old 02-09-2013, 10:36 PM   #4
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I agree with the above posts. IMO I think you need to be defensively proficent before going on any offense. Beside, any good defense will help open up any holes that you can exploit with your offense. I found this to be the same case with striking arts as well.

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:02 PM   #5
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As a "higher belt" I've always wondered whether allowing a new guy to work on offense or defense is the most effective

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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Let me first clarify that my post is written as it applies to beginners in the game of Jiu-Jitsu, who in generally tend to be over-focused on offense. I know I'm speaking in generalizations but that is really the only way to talk about anything, there will always be a minority/subset/outliers that completely subvert a thesis.

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You can never beat an opponent with strictly defense; You can only prolong getting beat.
Of course you can't submit an opponent with strictly defense (which I never claimed), but by having good defense it does makes your opportunity for offensive much more effective as it creates openings by forcing your opponent to expose himself in the process of attacking.

Additionally, if you can't be submitted, then your opponent can only dominate you via position at best. I'm reminded of a short story from Saulo Ribeiro.

Saulo says that when he met Helio Gracie, who was in his 80's at the time, Helio said to him "You may be good and strong, but you can't beat me." Saulo then rolled with the much older Helio and although he dominated him from the top position, he couldn't submit Helio. Helio's defense was just too tight.

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I've always kinda thought of it like you would play a strategy game. You want to build up your base, establish a defense. But once that's done, you take it to the front lines. You want to have the best defense for any attack that might get sent your way, but you can't win if you never leave your walls.

Or, just zergling rush like Magrid Hage.
This is exactly the main point of my post - build up a solid base of defense and then you are in a better position to attack.

Magrid Hage is a 19-year-old Black Belt phenom, but I'm sure when he was first a white belt (even tough clearly an amazing athlete and student) he wasn't doing a "zergling rush" (awesome reference by the way) submitting his opponents left and right, he was learning the basics of positions and controls since Jiu-Jitsu stresses position over submission and it takes time to learn the positions and controls to the point of being effective in implementing them.

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IMO I think you need to be defensively proficient before going on any offense. Beside, any good defense will help open up any holes that you can exploit with your offense. I found this to be the same case with striking arts as well.
It seems like we are on the exact same page (from the middle of my post):

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...if you make yourself very difficult to attack or submit it will make it more likely for your opponent to force moves and take chances. This ultimately leads to your opponent exposing vulnerabilities that weren’t previously there before (“openings”).
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As a "higher belt" I've always wondered whether allowing a new guy to work on offense or defense is the most effective
I personally feel you need to definitely work on both simultaneously, because it becomes easier to defend submissions if you know how they are being set-up/attacked. Though even extremely high level accomplished practitioners are constantly working on new escapes.

Eduardo Telles just did a seminar in San Diego yesterday which the vast majority consisted of escapes and counters from bad positions (back control, crucifix, etc.) and whenever I watch Telles roll he is always putting himself in bad positions intentionally because he is just as focused on teaching himself how to defend and escape as he is to submit. There aren't many people on his level so instead of just dominating everyone with his size, strength, and offensive abilities, he chooses instead to flow like water and keep learning all parts of the game since it is a never-ending process.

I'd like to toss out some famous BJJ quotes as food for thought:

"A real jiu-jitsu fighter does not go around beating people down. Our defense is made to neutralize aggression. " - Helio Gracie

"The secret to this sport is while you are the nail hang in there, let them hit you. Untill the day that you become the hammer and then you smash them back." -Renzo Gracie

"It's not the strong who survive, but the ones who survive become strong." - Montahna


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Old 02-10-2013, 03:29 PM   #7
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I guess it is a difference in mindsets. When I step on the mat, my goal is to attack and win, not defend and survive. I wonder what percentage of world champs force their offense on their opponent or play more defense and try to wait for an opening? I know one thing for sure: Watching and competing with a heavy offense based game is much more enjoyable and entertaining than watching 2 guys play defense.

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I aim to make my defense airtight to be realistic. In terms of mindset, I never want my opponent to be able to test that defense in the first place.

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Old 02-10-2013, 05:40 PM   #9
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survive, escape and counter attack. This is what I was always told. If you can survive you can make your opponent struggle and open himself up. Then you escape get into a position where you can commence a attack. Finally counter attack take a dominant position or expose a opening.

Just playing defense is not going to get you to win a fight or even survive a physical assault on the street.

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I think a total defense or a total offensive mindsets are self limiting and rare. If you can be offensive be offensive; if someone is wiping the mat with your ass then helz yeah you have to be defensive.

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