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01-26-2011, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MickCollins
From what I was told by a dude who is people who knows people, Senior thought Vitor threw the Sakuraba fight and that was the end of them. And Bonnar moved to Las Vegas when he was a purple belt. Don't know who he got his brown from but got his black from Sergio Penha. The second generation list is missing some names: Miguel Torres, Clark Gracie, Tim Creuder, Cyborg Abreu, Pablo Popovitch, Rhadi Ferguson, Jeff Monson, Rousimar Palhares, Jose Aldo, Ramon Lemos, Din Thomas, Stephen Kesting,etc...
Pretty amazing list for a team/coach that was often labeled as being less technical than their adversaries.
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Carlson's Black Belts, and the Second Generation have produced 100's of MMA and BJJ World Champions.
FAR more than Helio or Carlos Jr.'s sides.
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01-26-2011, 01:35 AM
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Location: Orange County, CA
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for what reasons did he expel some of his students?
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01-26-2011, 06:08 AM
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#183
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Originally Posted by saywhuuh
for what reasons did he expel some of his students?
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They were upset that Carlson was living in Chicago and not training them but still receiving a large amount of their fight purse, and a fight ensured and most of the top guys went to make BTT. The story differs depending on what side you hear it from.
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01-26-2011, 09:53 AM
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#184
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Brown Belt
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damn..thats a lot of black belts trained by one guy..crazy how someone can produce that many black belts..
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01-26-2011, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MickCollins
From what I was told by a dude who is people who knows people, Senior thought Vitor threw the Sakuraba fight and that was the end of them. And Bonnar moved to Las Vegas when he was a purple belt. Don't know who he got his brown from but got his black from Sergio Penha. The second generation list is missing some names: Miguel Torres, Clark Gracie, Tim Creuder, Cyborg Abreu, Pablo Popovitch, Rhadi Ferguson, Jeff Monson, Rousimar Palhares, Jose Aldo, Ramon Lemos, Din Thomas, Stephen Kesting,etc...
Pretty amazing list for a team/coach that was often labeled as being less technical than their adversaries.
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Andre "Tim" Monteiro and pretty much anyone from the Nova Geracao Academy in Rio are all next gen Carlson guys since Toco recieved his black belt directly from Sr.
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02-08-2013, 01:01 AM
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In honor of the 7th anniversary of master carlson's passing away. Bump
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02-08-2013, 11:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Wilson Jr.
Carlson's Black Belts, and the Second Generation have produced 100's of MMA and BJJ World Champions.
FAR more than Helio or Carlos Jr.'s sides.
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MMA yes, pure BJJ I don't know that that's true. Alliance and Gracie Barra are both from the Carlos/Helio side, and they've probably won more world titles than any other groups. Atos is an Alliance split off (mostly).
Though I agree that people who think Carlson's students aren't technical are totally wrong. Just because you prefer wicked TDs and crushing top game to sporty guard play doesn't make you less technical, it's just a stylistic choice.
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Last edited by Uchi Mata; 02-08-2013 at 11:23 AM.
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02-08-2013, 11:14 AM
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#188
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saywhuuh
for what reasons did he expel some of his students?
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Dispute over management. The split resulted in the creation of the Brazilian Top Team, which was big in MMA in Pride era.
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02-08-2013, 02:29 PM
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#189
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Wheres Ricardo Liborio ??
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02-08-2013, 05:09 PM
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Brown Belt
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Location: San Diego
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Liborio is on there; "Antonio Ricardo Jardim Liborio (expelled)"
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