I wonder if it's to enforce loyalty, and that's why it's so BJJ specific. For example, if you believe that anyone who doesn't train BJJ full time is a loser, then any camp other than TLI is essentially made up of losers, as is any activity outside of BJJ. If your whole thesis is that you are a winner because you train BJJ full time with the intent of winning grappling comps, and leaving the one place that facilitates that lifestyle would automatically make you a loser, then you'd have a pretty strong personal incentive to stay. And once you feel like you cannot leave, you'd naturally come up with all sorts of reasons why all the crazy/awful shit that went down was totally fine and all part of the 'master plan'. Otherwise, your cognitive dissonance would be through the roof. A good cult leader really wouldn't want his minions to have any way to leave the group and feel like they weren't betraying themselves and their team, and I feel like TLI might have a bit of this going on.
Bold above is probably the best summation I've read of why LI's definition of goal orientation is such a poisonous interpretation of what is basically a good way to live.
Yup. This is why he creates ranks that people in his gym aspire to be a part of, each one at a higher level and more "elite" than the last (and also costing more money).
Then there is the ultimate group, the "Soldiers of Submission" (now called the Medal Chasers) that if you one day get to, you get paid to train. So keep paying more and more money, do more and more for him, so that one day he will make good and actually pay you to train. Though you might be woken in the middle of the night to get him a cheeseburger along the way...
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Precisely.
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Nice reference and very fitting....How many guys in camp TLI can be eqated to Boxer, and look where that left him?
I still don't get how any of the attributes that make you a 3%er make you immune criticism. Criticism is often a key to success, but I guesss I haven't been to enough Master Lloyd seminars.
Then there is the ultimate group, the "Soldiers of Submission" (now called the Medal Chasers) that if you one day get to, you get paid to train. So keep paying more and more money, do more and more for him, so that one day he will make good and actually pay you to train. Though you might be woken in the middle of the night to get him a cheeseburger along the way...
97 % of you are just ignorant HATERS! Most of you are probably PISSED OFF because of all the SUCCESS like double GOLD grand slam Keenan did last year!
3 % of us WINNERS sacrifices everything to be better than the 97% of you BITCHASSES! TEAM LIMP.. I mean LLOYD IRVIN heeeyyyyyy!
The problem here is that TLI has co-opted a perfectly reasonable idea (that few are truly willing to make the sacrifices necessary to succeed beyond mediocre) and perverted it to suggest that people that are not willing to sacrifice in the exact manner that they are willing to sacrifice (and what they are willing to sacrifice) are losers.
Sorry, but my definition of a loser is quite different.
this, so much this.
every bjj world champ so far has sacrificed a lot of things to get to the top. there is absolutely no doubt about that. but most of them are respectful and approachable, so we love them. TLI guys are smug and arrogant, so we want to see them lose.
both do the exact same thing, except one group of people takes pride in what they achieved while the other takes pride in the fact that others failed.
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I thought it was that 97% of the BJJ community are normal people with jobs and families, and 3% are pseudo cultists willing to live in a house with a bunch of other cultists under an abusive self styled 'master' with a very shady past so as to win medals in non-black belt divisions in an amateur sport with no prize money or real career path.
Though I personally think 3% is a little high...there's like what, 10-20 of them?
LOL, nailed it. Fact of the matter is BJJ is very unimportant to the rest of the world and a niche interest, being successful in it is like being the World's best fly fisher, no-one really gives a fuck outside of other BJJ guys, of which there are few.
Not being an asshole but I probably earn more in a day than what those 3%ers earn in a month. If my only metric for success were money (seemingly like TLI), then yeah they would be losers to me. As some other guy said when you grow up a bit you realize things like family, stable relationships, experiences, etc are more important than winning at something no-one really cares about.
Fact of the matter as I've said a few times is none of Lloyd's guys have ever won the Mundials or ADCC, guys who have won it multiple times like Marcelo, Rafa, Roger, Cobrinha, etc should be the ones calling everyone else losers, but yet they don't? From that I think the only conclusion to come to is that 3%ers are assholes, probably due to all the insecurity of knowing they aren't really good enough.
