Bellator 88 - Page 2

ABC · 01-23-2013, 04:29 PM

I'm interested in Bam Bam's fight. I got to work his last fight against Krazy Horse. It was a good win, and I want to see where he goes from there.

KeeSmyth · 01-23-2013, 05:23 PM

i keep hoping Bellator will put there better prospects on there undercard like Uflacker, Gotti, Slack, Horcher, Cosmo etc

CDF47 · 01-23-2013, 06:59 PM

Shelemenko/Falcao is the fight I am looking forward to most of all Bellator fights right now. Winner of this will be a real solid MW champ.

CC27 · 01-23-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CDF47

Shelemenko/Falcao is the fight I am looking forward to most of all Bellator fights right now. Winner of this will be a real solid MW champ.

its a good fight, fun fight, winner will be in the 15-20 range.

CDF47 · 01-23-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CC27

its a good fight, fun fight, winner will be in the 15-20 range.

We could argue rankings all day but winner of this should be much higher than that. Shlemenko has been on an absolute tear, going through 2 Bellator tournaments with his only loss being a decision loss to the champ at the time Lombard who was on a 20 fight tear of his own. Shlemenko is 46-7 with 34 finishes. He is 15-1 in his last 16 fights over the past 4 years. He has torn through two tough Bellator tournaments straight against real solid competition. Chris Weidman is 9-0 with a decision win over Maia and and a real impressive finish against Munoz. Munoz is 12-3 with wins over Leben and Maia. Yet, Weidman is number 3 ranked and Munoz is number 5 while Shlemenko continues to remain un-ranked.

The rankings are setup so no one else can get in that's why I prefer to separate them. IMO, the rankings are all bull shit.

Herfavcolor90 · 01-23-2013, 08:34 PM

Junior PQD vs Popo is awesome. Neither has had an easy run in Bellator.

JonSnitchPhones · 01-23-2013, 08:37 PM

Indeed, rankings are bullshit, for many reasons, one of which are they are exclusive. The belief of many is that you need to fight in UFC to prove yourself. But as it turned out, the UFC LW's had to fight WEC LW's to prove themselves just as much as vice versa.

I don't necessarily agree with the examples you used to dispel the rankings though. Weidman is the shit, #2 in my book. What I'll bring up Weidman to refute the rankings for is that he was all but signed to Bellator until a very unusual and timely circumstance led him to UFC before he could officially make Sam Caplan a happy man. And if he was in Bellator, where would he be ranked? Probably 15-20 like the winner of Shlemenko/Falcao is supposed to be. That's silly. He could end up champ of UFC in one fight. Then he would be the #1 measuring stick in the division. You can't put UFC fighters all at or toward the top of the rankings on default. That's putting the promotion ahead of the fighter.

All of that said, I think a fair place to put Shlemenko in the rankings if he wins, is 11-15. FightMatrix has him at 19 right now, and I think that's fair. Move him up several spots for beating Falcao, who when he was in UFC, generated hype for his performance.

As for Falcao, I think he shouldn't rise as high as Shlemenko. He doesn't have the accomplishments built up like Shlemenko, and keep in mind he cheated to win a controversial decision still over Vasilevsky. He does have the loss to Braga too. I think around 20 is fair if he wins.

JonSnitchPhones · 01-23-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ABC

Tim Goodwin should be fighting on 89, the following week in Charlotte.

Ah, I got confused because he posted in the other Bellator 88 thread. I'll edit.

CC27 · 01-23-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JonSnitchPhones

Indeed, rankings are bullshit, for many reasons, one of which are they are exclusive. The belief of many is that you need to fight in UFC to prove yourself. But as it turned out, the UFC LW's had to fight WEC LW's to prove themselves just as much as vice versa.

I don't necessarily agree with the examples you used to dispel the rankings though. Weidman is the shit, #2 in my book. What I'll bring up Weidman to refute the rankings for is that he was all but signed to Bellator until a very unusual and timely circumstance led him to UFC before he could officially make Sam Caplan a happy man. And if he was in Bellator, where would he be ranked? Probably 15-20 like the winner of Shlemenko/Falcao is supposed to be. That's silly. He could end up champ of UFC in one fight. Then he would be the #1 measuring stick in the division. You can't put UFC fighters all at or toward the top of the rankings on default. That's putting the promotion ahead of the fighter.

All of that said, I think a fair place to put Shlemenko in the rankings if he wins, is 11-15. FightMatrix has him at 19 right now, and I think that's fair. Move him up several spots for beating Falcao, who when he was in UFC, generated hype for his performance.

As for Falcao, I think he shouldn't rise as high as Shlemenko. He doesn't have the accomplishments built up like Shlemenko, and keep in mind he cheated to win a controversial decision still over Vasilevsky. He does have the loss to Braga too. I think around 20 is fair if he wins.

According to teh rankings Jacare is ranked 14th, sorry but Shlemenko aint above Jacare. Winner of this fight like I said should be in the 15-20 range.

Falcao isnt ranked in the top 25 and Storm I think is ranked 21st so going by those a win over Falco wouldnt even get Storm in the top 20 but I think a win over Falcao should get in inside the top 20.

OK you say 19th he is ranked by FM, I think FM rankings are shit personally but lets use them.

Storm is 19th, Falcao is 31st, how does beating a guy 12 spots behind you move you up in the rankings?

If Storm wins he is top 20, maybe 17/18, if Falcao wins he is top 25 maybe around 20th.

CC27 · 01-23-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CDF47

We could argue rankings all day but winner of this should be much higher than that. Shlemenko has been on an absolute tear, going through 2 Bellator tournaments with his only loss being a decision loss to the champ at the time Lombard who was on a 20 fight tear of his own. Shlemenko is 46-7 with 34 finishes. He is 15-1 in his last 16 fights over the past 4 years. He has torn through two tough Bellator tournaments straight against real solid competition. Chris Weidman is 9-0 with a decision win over Maia and and a real impressive finish against Munoz. Munoz is 12-3 with wins over Leben and Maia. Yet, Weidman is number 3 ranked and Munoz is number 5 while Shlemenko continues to remain un-ranked.

The rankings are setup so no one else can get in that's why I prefer to separate them. IMO, the rankings are all bull shit.

You mean the UFC has the best fighters so you discount rankings because others cant get in because they arent in the UFC.

Thats bullshit. Pat Curran is 2 or 3 in the world, Chandler is 5,6 in the world, Dantas was top 10, Lombard got in the top 10 in Bellator yet he didnt fight a single top 10 fighter.

About Storm/Weidman, you base it off records, you list 15-1 with his only loss against Lombard yet you dont mention a single fighter he beat.

You base it all on record, oh WEidman is 9-0, Storm is 15-1 over his last 16, you dont list anyone he beat.

Weidman beat two top 10 fighters, Storm beat 0 top 10 fighters.

You place way too much stock on records, any guy can go 20-0 fighting regional competition that doesnt mean it should earn them a place along side the best.

You'd probably put Tiger before he lost in teh top 10 cause he was 20-0 or whatever yet he hadnt fought a single solid fighter in his career. Its about who you beat, not your record, not your talent, not oh I think this guy can beat that guy so he should ranked as high, thats not how it works.