The Porcelain Doll Diet

[scottm]

Originally Posted by Sarumyan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

You are not doing yourself a favor by trying to use Lustig as a reference.

He may be an intelligent doctor, but he also fails miserably due to the fact that he is trying to oversimplify the answer to some extremely complex issues.

Way to ruin a good thread though.

[Pathogenic]

Let's stop feeding it.

[Nozza]

Maybe the body's reaction to nutrition is similar to it's reaction to weight training. But then maybe it's totally different.

My one question is: what is the evidence that we need to mistreat or expose ourselves to "bad" nutrition to "toughen up"?

[Seriously-Dead]

Originally Posted by Nozza

Maybe the body's reaction to nutrition is similar to it's reaction to weight training. But then maybe it's totally different.

My one question is: what is the evidence that we need to mistreat or expose ourselves to "bad" nutrition to "toughen up"?

I admit in the article that there is no evidence right now, nothing set in stone at least. There's speculative evidence, but until it's actually applied in a long-term clinical trial, it doesn't mean anything.

This is just a set of heuristics I've developed over years of paying attention to nutrition, many other experienced dieters eventually settle on something similar.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by Sarumyan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...tose-alarmism/

[mtruitt76]

Very interesting article. The concept of dietary stressors and variability being beneficial in terms of nutrition is definitely plausible since this exactly what cause positive growth in other areas of the body.

Originally Posted by Nozza

Maybe the body's reaction to nutrition is similar to it's reaction to weight training. But then maybe it's totally different.

My one question is: what is the evidence that we need to mistreat or expose ourselves to "bad" nutrition to "toughen up"?

What are you considering mistreatment and "bad nutrition"?

[Modern Warrior1]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that you can't skip steps. If you just started with this, you wouldn't have the discipline required. You have to go through the bullshit.

[Nozza]

Originally Posted by mtruitt76

What are you considering mistreatment and "bad nutrition"?

Good question. I'm not defining them which is why I put them in quotes. Because it actually seems pretty hard to define good and bad nutrition.

[TeddyRoosevelt]

Originally Posted by Pathogenic

It's funny how we both went through the same exact cycle of fad diets before settling into our own routines.

Originally Posted by Seriously-Dead

I've been reading a ton of discussion that this article spurred, and I keep seeing the recurring trend - people run through the gamete of dietary protocols and then eventually settle on something in the middle like this.

Samesies! Graduated high school at 140 lbs. Made my way up to +250 lbs. in college through powerlifting, depression, drinking, and the "cheesesteaks + pizza = lean protein" diet. Went low carb and cut down to around 215 to compete; used IF to get to around 190. Recently ceased with dogmatic IF'ing.

I consider myself and IIF'er (Intermittent Intermittent Fasting)...but it's not just intermittent IF, it's an intermittent version of many dieting protocols (or lack thereof).

It makes me wonder if having to go through some kind of rigorous and insane dietary protocol is a necessary part of this process or if you can just skip it entirely and land in the right place from the start. Gives me a lot to think about.

Originally Posted by Pathogenic

I think it's something everyone who self-studies must go through. The search for what is right for yourself takes much longer than being able to see the truth laid out before your eyes. Especially where pop culture dieting is full of untrue dogma.

Originally Posted by Modern Warrior1

The more I think about it, the more I believe that you can't skip steps.

I think not skipping steps was important for me, personally. I don't distrust research, but regarding physiology/psychology/nutrition, I do value n=1 ("n" being me) studies. I've tried different things that have worked, and thus substantiated some of the evidence backing them. But there's always more research to read, and actual empiricism only took me so far. Self-experimentation brought far more tangible understanding; I find that to be true in most aspects of life.

[Pathogenic]

Originally Posted by TeddyRoosevelt

Samesies! Graduated high school at 140 lbs. Made my way up to +250 lbs. in college through powerlifting, depression, drinking, and the "cheesesteaks + pizza = lean protein" diet. Went low carb and cut down to around 215 to compete; used IF to get to around 190. Recently ceased with dogmatic IF'ing.

Similar story here, minus the lifting. I was crippled by ankylosing spondylitis from 18-19, and got all the way up to 230 at 5'7" because I didn't understand how calories worked, and was a fat idiot in general. I started wrestling and doing BJJ, and got all the way down to a skinny-fat 165. Then I started lifting, and now, 2.5 years later, I'm 160 with 30 more pounds of LBM than I had at 165.

Originally Posted by TeddyRoosevelt

I think not skipping steps was important for me, personally. I don't distrust research, but regarding physiology/psychology/nutrition, I do value n=1 ("n" being me) studies. I've tried different things that have worked, and thus substantiated some of the evidence backing them. But there's always more research to read, and actual empiricism only took me so far. Self-experimentation brought far more tangible understanding; I find that to be true in most aspects of life.

Definitely agree.