Diaz Bros & someone like Greg Jackson - Page 6

Break Brick · 01-23-2013, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by penpal

hey, you're weird. just deal with it.

And you're clearly stupid, I guess we all have our cross to bear

Grappling Magic · 01-23-2013, 07:03 AM

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nick is only 1-1. he beat a lw turned ww that's way past his prime.

You are speaking of MMA LEGEND, BJ Penn, right? I hope You are aware that "way past his prime" "lw turned ww" can still WRECK most of the top competition in the UFC.

Stormtrooper85 · 01-23-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by penpal

yeah, i agree with that and i remember kim saying that. maybe they need to eat some meat, lift a little, and do a little less cardio in their spare time. again, where are the coaches telling them they need to make those adjustments?

Cesar is still suffering the effects of being Shamrocked

Break Brick · 01-23-2013, 07:04 AM

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I'm fairly certain your sarcasm went directly over his head based on the original quote he took from you.

Lol clearly. The guy is obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Stormtrooper85 · 01-23-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Grappling Magic

You are speaking of MMA LEGEND, BJ Penn, right? I hope You are aware that "way past his prime" "lw turned ww" can still WRECK most of the top competition in the UFC.

lol no he can't. Unless you still think Matt Hughes is top competition

Grappling Magic · 01-23-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper85

lol no he can't. Unless you still think Matt Hughes is top competition

I can dream, can't I?

BuffaloEmperor · 01-23-2013, 07:30 AM

i would not say for one minute that nick diaz is uncoachable. nick diaz didn't beat gomi, or daley just by doing whatever the hell he wanted in the cage. i know sometimes it doesn't seem like he has a gameplan but trust me he does. and you claim to be a fan of the scrap pack ,but i dont get it.

mkt · 01-23-2013, 07:38 AM

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Um, You do realize that Cesar Gracie Fight Team, the NON-ELITE camp that You mention of which the Diaz Bros and many other notables (Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields) train at, yada, yada...[/B]

Yes, there are Top 10 fighters at Cesar's--no one is questioning that. I think TS' point is that their fighters tend to focus on their strengths and stay in their comfort zones. This works great most of the time (see Nate vs. Miller/Cerrone, Shields and Nick in SF). However, they can be exposed by elite, well-rounded fighters (Nate vs. Bendo, Nick's first stint in the UFC, Shields' recent performances in the UFC). While places like Jackson and AKA can't work miracles, they push fighters to work on their weaknesses and do more gameplanning. For Nate/Nick, gameplanning always = high-volume boxing + try to get a sub if it goes to the ground. For Shields it's TDs and sub (occasionally) and mostly LnP.

Gil is probably the most well-rounded fighter, so we'll see how he does vs. Bendo. Josh Thomson had some success using kicks and innovative TDs vs. Gil. I suspect we'll see some of the same from Bendo. If Gil doesn't check leg kicks or do any kicks himself, we'll know it's the same ol', same ol' at Cesar's.

mkt · 01-23-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Grappling Magic

You are speaking of MMA LEGEND, BJ Penn, right? I hope You are aware that "way past his prime" "lw turned ww" can still WRECK most of the top competition in the UFC.

At WW, I seriously doubt it. You did see BJ vs. Nick and Rory, right?

At LW, it's hard to say. That division is getting better and better and we haven't seen BJ there in a long time.

penpal · 01-23-2013, 08:09 AM

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Yes, there are Top 10 fighters at Cesar's--no one is questioning that. I think TS' point is that their fighters tend to focus on their strengths and stay in their comfort zones. This works great most of the time (see Nate vs. Miller/Cerrone, Shields and Nick in SF). However, they can be exposed by elite, well-rounded fighters (Nate vs. Bendo, Nick's first stint in the UFC, Shields' recent performances in the UFC). While places like Jackson and AKA can't work miracles, they push fighters to work on their weaknesses and do more gameplanning. For Nate/Nick, gameplanning always = high-volume boxing + try to get a sub if it goes to the ground. For Shields it's TDs and sub (occasionally) and mostly LnP.

Gil is probably the most well-rounded fighter, so we'll see how he does vs. Bendo. Josh Thomson had some success using kicks and innovative TDs vs. Gil. I suspect we'll see some of the same from Bendo. If Gil doesn't check leg kicks or do any kicks himself, we'll know it's the same ol', same ol' at Cesar's.

hey look. one fucking person get's it. thank you. i thought it was pretty clear at what i was getting at.