Rigondeaux vs Donaire 4/13 **All updates and discussion here

[pinero]

OMG, how many people in a boxing forum that are unfamiliar with the elements of boxing, to assess rigo´s boxing u must not just look how many professional fights have, look at the fluidity and naturalness with which boxing, the power of his left hand, his mastery of the three distances and intelligence that knows the fight vary according to type of contrary, anyway, i know 90% of people are going to do like the ostrich, burying their heads and say "Nah, Nonito has more Kos than Rigo pro fights"

[emcee]

Originally Posted by 5acrossYOeye

Wait, Donaire-Rigs is scheduled for 4 rounds?

Originally Posted by zuffa zack

Pro experience

Two Rhodes scholars over here. You do realize boxing is boxing across amateur and pro leagues, right? Rigondeaux is familiar enough with the game itself that experience is just a dumb thing to pin against him. In some hundreds of fights I promise he's fought more than four rounds. I promise. If I'm wrong, you can have my testicles.

[zuffa zack**]

Originally Posted by emcee

Two Rhodes scholars over here. You do realize boxing is boxing across amateur and pro leagues, right? Rigondeaux is familiar enough with the game itself that experience is just a dumb thing to pin against him. In some hundreds of fights I promise he's fought more than four rounds. I promise. If I'm wrong, you can have my testicles.

I would never have highlighted that the guy was saying Pro experience (something I don't even agree with) if I knew it would get me this backlash

[Codpiece]

Originally Posted by Sinister

So in other words, you don't have an answer. I don't care if there's shit about Donaire's style you particularly don't like, or if you're just focusing on that he's fast and has a punch, Donaire is NOT a superior athlete to every single person he's been in the ring with thus far. There are good reasons he was HEAVILY predicted to lose to Darchinyan, and at a weight where Vic was knocking everybody stupid. Darchinyan was thought to be stronger, more durable, have more stamina, and hit considerably harder than Donaire, who at the time, had nearly every DISadvantage imaginable except for MAYBE speed. But he skillfully walked Vic into multiple left hooks all night long until the one landed that put him to sleep. If that's not what a technician would do, I don't know what is.

He holds a distinct speed advantage over people, that much is true, but he's no Roy Jones in that he's built completely on his athleticism. He wasn't stronger than Vasquez, and he had significant disadvantages against Mathebula who up until that point had only lost HOTLY disputed split-decisions in recent memory.

I'm not a big fan of Donaire for the simple reason that he boasts about being gigantic between fights, suggesting that he only makes weight to fight smaller guys, but if he can make the weight then no one can really fault him for that inside the ring (unlike Broner, who does the same shit but DOESN'T make weight). However, to say he's not a technical fighter is just plain asinine. This is a guy who has been fighting people Southpaw half the time just because he CAN. And until he turns it on in fights, not a lot happens because he's taking his time and assessing his opponents. Which is precisely how a technician works.

That's not a great example. Donaire was considered to be at a disadvantage because at that time his skillset was relatively unknown. Darchinyan was making a mess of the division, but Donaire was pretty much an unknown entity.

Fast forward a few years and it's crystal clear that Donaire was faster, more athletic, had at least comparable stamina and has KO power. So I agree, there's little to suggest that he cant dominate in a fight where he is physically overmatched. We haven't ever seen such a fight.

[farfan]

Originally Posted by pinero

OMG, how many people in a boxing forum that are unfamiliar with the elements of boxing, to assess rigo´s boxing u must not just look how many professional fights have, look at the fluidity and naturalness with which boxing, the power of his left hand, his mastery of the three distances and intelligence that knows the fight vary according to type of contrary, anyway, i know 90% of people are going to do like the ostrich, burying their heads and say "Nah, Nonito has more Kos than Rigo pro fights"

nah, people will just point to the elephant in the room : rigo getting hurt by anything meaningfull that lands , even from subpar opponents

[emcee]

Originally Posted by farfan

nah, people will just point to the elephant in the room : rigo getting hurt by anything meaningfull that lands , even from subpar opponents

And the other elephant in the room : rigo coming back and still winning easily.

Where is his TKO loss?

[ZroC]

ABS-CBN news are apparently reporting Donaire vs Rigo is on. They have exclusive TV rights with TR and Arum so they'd likely be given the first word.

[5acrossYOeye]

Originally Posted by emcee

Two Rhodes scholars over here. You do realize boxing is boxing across amateur and pro leagues, right? Rigondeaux is familiar enough with the game itself that experience is just a dumb thing to pin against him. In some hundreds of fights I promise he's fought more than four rounds. I promise. If I'm wrong, you can have my testicles.

Thank you

No thank you

It isn't a dumb thing. Until he proves it wrong that stigma will hang over his head whether it's truth or not. Here's his chance to prove it wrong. Also, can you sustain a cut in amateur boxing and continue? Knockdowns and scoring are different in the amateurs etc... so it isn't dumb.

I will say Rigs' talent cannot be debated. His skills pay the bills so if pointing to his amateur background is considered one of his weaknesses, that's actually a good thing.

[emcee]

Originally Posted by 5acrossYOeye

Thank you

No thank you

It isn't a dumb thing. Until he proves it wrong that stigma will hang over his head whether it's truth or not. Here's his chance to prove it wrong. Also, can you sustain a cut in amateur boxing and continue? Knockdowns and scoring are different in the amateurs etc... so it isn't dumb.

I will say Rigs' talent cannot be debated. His skills pay the bills so if pointing to his amateur background is considered one of his weaknesses, that's actually a good thing.

I took those things into consideration already. I don't think experience in being bloody or knocked out is necessary in proving a fighter's worthiness of a title bout. We usually tend to think guys who get beat down in professional fights are gatekeepers or journeymen and not elite. It's basically saying Rigondeaux should be beat, shot and old before he can deserve a fight with Nonito. That would remove the appeal of the fight. We don't want a shot, beat to hell, "too experienced" Rigo fighting Nonito. Even still, just what is "inexperience" and "experience"? How many fights do you need to officially become "experienced" professionally? Nobody tells us the measuring mark for these things.

[5acrossYOeye]

Originally Posted by emcee

I took those things into consideration already. I don't think experience in being bloody or knocked out is necessary in proving a fighter's worthiness of a title bout. We usually tend to think guys who get beat down in professional fights are gatekeepers or journeymen and not elite. It's basically saying Rigondeaux should be beat, shot and old before he can deserve a fight with Nonito. That would remove the appeal of the fight. We don't want a shot, beat to hell, "too experienced" Rigo fighting Nonito. Even still, just what is "inexperience" and "experience"? How many fights do you need to officially become "experienced" professionally? Nobody tells us the measuring mark for these things.

The measuring stick are fights like the one with Donaire. This fight is similar to when Mayweather fought Hernandez...think about how you felt about that fight before it took place. Here's his chance to prove the doubters wrong. History and resumes were saying this is a MAJOR step up for Mayweather and that ended up being wrong. Story changed once the bell rang.

I agree experience in being cut, knocked down doesn't prove a fighter's worthiness for title fight his resume does, but I do think it should be his Pro resume. There are definitely fighters in the division that I think deserve this fight more than Rigs' but the cold war/financial issues won't allow it. His promoter has a major role in making this fight a reality for Rigs.

I think the hype that surrounds Rigs is legit and a lot of is about what he's going to do and not what he's done in the pro ranks. It's a fair criticism until proven wrong.

There are lot of fighters in the past (this weekend) who couldn't or won't fight through cuts, knockdowns, broken noses and there's are also fighters who became elite because they could fight through cuts, knockdowns, and fouls etc ...but we don't know about a fighters reaction until it happens.