Battles of posture + positioning:

[Marbig]

Originally Posted by SPMA

I was planning to create a separate thread for my question, but it seems aligned with this topic.

I was wondering how you guys think the stance and posture of fighters such as broner (the demarco fight), mayweather, toney and benton i.e. weight primarily on the back foot, lead hand slightly lower, and a bit more flat footed would do in the amateurs? Where nowadays I see the style of fighting is a lot more jumping on the toes, in and out, hands up high and punches in bunches. Could you have a successful amateur career with the 'old school' style in modern amateur boxing under the current rules?

Thanks

Good fight imo.

[yodave]

Originally Posted by SPMA

I was planning to create a separate thread for my question, but it seems aligned with this topic.

I was wondering how you guys think the stance and posture of fighters such as broner (the demarco fight), mayweather, toney and benton i.e. weight primarily on the back foot, lead hand slightly lower, and a bit more flat footed would do in the amateurs? Where nowadays I see the style of fighting is a lot more jumping on the toes, in and out, hands up high and punches in bunches. Could you have a successful amateur career with the 'old school' style in modern amateur boxing under the current rules?

Thanks

Old school would work great under any rule set. What happens is you assume a bladed stance (this means that your back foot is further behind your lead foot then a modern stance and it creates that acute angle of the body) and show them your lead shoulder. This puts your head out of alignment with their centreline.

Then if they try punching you throught your lead side your raise that shoulder and block off that side of your head. If they try to throw a punch throught your outside shoulder, they have to take the long way around because of your bladed stance and you have that backhand up and tight around your chin, so its right there to block that strike.

If they try to attack your lead body, trying to take advantage of the fact that you are in effect showing them the front of your body, you have that lead hand down low so you can block that. This is why they block their head with their back hand (you will see that back hand navigating between one side of their head to the other) and attack with their front hand, this way they can up from underneath while you try punching them in the head.

Their read body side is blocked by the fact that again its far away from their opponent and their arm can dip low and block that.

So as you can see, no matter what rule set they can block and slip any strike. But because all of this isn't taught in your modern gym, I had to learn this all myself basically, but its a 100% fundamentally sound style and isn't affected by the amateur soft rules.

Maywheater just got beat by a guy who also had great fundamentals but this isn't because of any specific rule set.

what this stance does is basically akin to that a turtle, as soon as you feel threatened you just turtle up in this shell and become very difficult to hit you. and all old school fighters use this style.

and this fight show what I mean, two old school boxing greats ducking it out, mike macculum and james toney. I watched the whole fight and they basically have the same style, its just james toney was faster and seemingly the more talented fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNSHdYxsqV0

the difference I noticed between mike and james is mike was more offensive with this stance while james was more defensive, more prone to counterattacking when mike was attacking more, including more of a penchant for body punching.

ps: I reread my post and I wrote lead hand at one point when I actually meant back hand, mistake corrected.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by yodave

and this is exactly why people get angry with you.

Then tell them to stop making stupid insinuation over and over again then.

[yodave]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

Then tell them to stop making stupid insinuation over and over again then.

haha very funny, you clearly have a lot of things to learn in life.

[Nuclearlandmine]

I'm only 20, what do you expect?
Then again i might have my hope too high for the internet.

[shs101]

Can someone explain the difference between posture and positioning? Seems like the same thing but I must be missing something. Thank you

[Sinister]

Originally Posted by sourdiesel209

I know you have them like old school boxers, thats still too low to block high kicks... you'll understand when you start sparring, right now your only on the drawing board...

Shoulder/chin level is not too low to block high kicks. And you drop your hands lower than that.

[SPMA]

Thanks for the replies sinister and yodave.

In the Toney/Mccallum fight, the commentator mentions at the 7:00 min mark that Toney has a specific way of dipping his shoulder to avoid the left hook unless you step to the left. Could you guys elaborate on that? Is it simply him dipping his head or bending down under the punch?

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by SPMA

Thanks for the replies sinister and yodave.

In the Toney/Mccallum fight, the commentator mentions at the 7:00 min mark that Toney has a specific way of dipping his shoulder to avoid the left hook unless you step to the left. Could you guys elaborate on that? Is it simply him dipping his head or bending down under the punch?

Here's one fight that showed how well old school principals holding up vs modern school of boxing in an amateur context. Note the guy in Red and his posture/stance/positioning/fighting style vs the other guy in Blue. He is a student of Sinister's partner in Iceland.

[Gavster]

Must be more noticeable in boxing. A few years back when Karo Parisyan was on the UFC scene, id pick the winner based on bad posture. As it was mostly based on technique rather than stamina/strength back then it was a good betting mechanic!