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01-18-2013, 12:15 AM
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Someone getting double unders on you while mounted is a gift. I'd personally move to S-Mount and get a nearside overwrap armbar, but you could go straight for the armbar, move to Technical Mount, Ezequiel choke them, Cross choke them. If some reason you really wanted their double unders broken you could put your forearm under their nose and push yourself up with two hands, but seriously this would be a godsend and no decent grappler would ever try to do this to you.
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01-18-2013, 02:27 AM
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Well, if it's self defense, you grab his head and put your thumbs in his eyes  . He will let go.
If it's in competition, I also really don't see a big problem. The reason you're getting swept from there is probably because you're too occupied trying to attack him, instead of holding your mount properly. He shouldn't be able to reverse you from there, since you have both arms free to stabilize yourself. Just slide up high on his chest, pinch your knees and feet together and base out with your hands. If he wants to hug you from underneath, let him do it til he gets tired, then wait for the right moment to attack. Most importantly, hold your high mount.
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01-18-2013, 02:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uchi Mata
My thoughts exactly. It's really not that advanced of a sub, it's pretty easy to pull off if the guy bearhugs you like that.
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Quite often I find it easier just to step all the way over into a very deep omoplata if I can isolate the arm like that/they give me their arm in a foolish fashion. The monoplata is a bit more fiddly, you have to stop half-way to switch directions and it can give you a few more chances to fuck up and let him have his arm back.
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01-18-2013, 03:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makhno
lugwrench variation.
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the only viable solution.
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01-18-2013, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by neverletup
Forearm under their nose, you really do that? Pretty brutal if my training partner did that to me idk if I'd roll with him again, you can lift one foot and place it next to his head use forearms against the neck lightly and his arms are for the taking why rough up your partners they are valuable.
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I was talking more in terms of a self-defence or fight situation where you might want to posture up in order to strike effectively, which is the only reason I can see for not going for the armbar or a choke from this position. As I said, in grappling I'd immediately move to S-Mount and start attacking the armbar - in a fight I might want to soften them up a bit first.
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01-18-2013, 09:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
Quite often I find it easier just to step all the way over into a very deep omoplata if I can isolate the arm like that/they give me their arm in a foolish fashion. The monoplata is a bit more fiddly, you have to stop half-way to switch directions and it can give you a few more chances to fuck up and let him have his arm back.
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Not from top. I don't like rolling over into the omoplata because you're giving up your mount. With the monoplata you can almost always get it back, or just transition to an armbar while remaining on top. I don't know what you're talking about with the direction switch, I just step up, secure the arm, slide the foot over, fall slightly to the side, and start applying pressure. It's pretty straightforward.
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01-18-2013, 09:32 AM
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Monoplata, or guillotine from the monoplata setup.
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01-18-2013, 09:46 AM
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1) Get real heavy by sinking into your hooks and basing your arms out, so his head in on the mat
2) Base your head to one side
3) On that side, insert the blade of your wrist onto his throat (under his nose will work, too, but is a little bit mean) preferably while keeping your elbow posted
4) Push
He will try to upa you, but as long as your head is based and your weight is compensated away from that side, he shouldn't be able to get it.
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01-18-2013, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
Quite often I find it easier just to step all the way over into a very deep omoplata if I can isolate the arm like that/they give me their arm in a foolish fashion. The monoplata is a bit more fiddly, you have to stop half-way to switch directions and it can give you a few more chances to fuck up and let him have his arm back.
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I usually start with the monoplata and if they start countering I transition into the omoplata. I'm with Uchi mata, I don't like giving up mount if I can help it.
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01-18-2013, 01:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makhno
lugwrench variation.
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this
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