Gym Idiots VIII

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by KiwiTricker

I seem to recall NZ recently being placed #1 in freedom...

Measured how? I'm not questioning that NZ is pretty free country, I'm just wondering how someone would weigh one kind of freedom against others, to develop an overall freedom score.

[AtlSteel]

Originally Posted by Tosa

What's this about Jackie Chan hating freedom?

Freedom is word that gets tossed around all the time with too few people actually thinking about what it means, and that certain smaller freedoms may have to be sacrificed to maintain larger freedoms.

Welcome to AmeriKa. That is exactly the zeitgeist of stupid kids today. You must be loving the scene these days in this country.

[AtlSteel]

Originally Posted by Tosa

Measured how? I'm not questioning that NZ is pretty free country, I'm just wondering how someone would weigh one kind of freedom against others, to develop an overall freedom score.

I think a good measure would be the degree to which the laws and executive orders of that country violate the constitution. The U.S. would be at the bottom of that list.

[Pearse Shields]

Originally Posted by Tosa

Measured how? I'm not questioning that NZ is pretty free country, I'm just wondering how someone would weigh one kind of freedom against others, to develop an overall freedom score.

No real idea, I just saw it on the news/on the internet, and noted it as being something to remember the next time I saw debates about "Freedom" on the internet. Because, as we all know, internets is srs business.

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by AtlSteel

I think a good measure would be the degree to which the laws and executive orders of that country violate the constitution. The U.S. would be at the bottom of that list.

Given that different countries have different constitutions, existing in different forms, or not have a constitution at all, and that different constitutions allow for different freedoms and state powers, that doesn't seem like a workable measure. Unless you were to try and measure freedom based on how well a country does at living up to it's own expectations of people's rights to certain freedoms.

And the U.S., despite all it's faults would be far from at the bottom of the list. There are a great many regimes that are far more oppressive. And, while the U.S. government may try to do things that can be viewed as unconstitutional, there is a legal framework for challenging any such laws or executive orders, and it's something that can be done successfully.

Originally Posted by KiwiTricker

No real idea, I just saw it on the news/on the internet, and noted it as being something to remember the next time I saw debates about "Freedom" on the internet. Because, as we all know, internets is srs business.

Of course the internet is serious business, because I can't talk serious business like this very often in real life.

[LegioTitan]

Originally Posted by AtlSteel

I think a good measure would be the degree to which the laws and executive orders of that country violate the constitution. The U.S. would be at the bottom of that list.

I don't know why but I lol'd hard this morning here.

I guess it was just unexpected.

[Pearse Shields]

Saw a dude at my gym yesterday using my bumper plates for preacher curls... Called him out on it, and he said that he couldn't find the other 10kg plates around. I pointed them out to him.

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by KiwiTricker

Saw a dude at my gym yesterday using my bumper plates for preacher curls... Called him out on it, and he said that he couldn't find the other 10kg plates around. I pointed them out to him.

I'll do curls with bumper plates all the time.

[Pearse Shields]

Originally Posted by Tosa

I'll do curls with bumper plates all the time.

I own precisely 4 x 10kg bumper plates, which I keep at the gym. If there were plenty of plates, it would be less of an issue. I also constantly find them on the Smith machine, which grinds my gears.

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by KiwiTricker

I own precisely 4 x 10kg bumper plates, which I keep at the gym. If there were plenty of plates, it would be less of an issue. I also constantly find them on the Smith machine, which grinds my gears.

Well that's a different story.

It does grind my gears how almost nobody used the 2.5kg and 5kg technique plates correctly. It'll almost always be some guy with a bunch of other plates on the bar doing crappy lifts, but if it's a girl trying to do olympic lifts with light weight, they're almost never used. So maybe that's sort of similar.