Jones has an 13.5 reach over Cormier - Page 3

liverkick83 · 01-14-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Budd Ty

Fight won't happen because Cormier will get snapped by Mir!

Come on now u really think that

effedup · 01-14-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ch0rx

also Cormier isn't 5'11" dude is more like 5'8"-5'9"

Gonna eat Jon's fucking lunch.

Well considering that Steven is like 6'4"...

eforrest04 · 01-14-2013, 06:18 PM

Cormier is deceptively fast and very good at closing the distance. He doesnt have to worry about jones takedowns so all he has to worry about is the standup and closing the distance. Easier said than done but i think DC can make this fight interesting because he will press jones far more than Rashad would risk and he most likely the best wrestler in MMA right now.

JayElectra · 01-14-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShreddinMMA

In no way does Rashad have a similar skillset to close the distance.

Both Forrest and Chuck were able to keep Rashad from getting inside for a large portion of their fights. Forrest was completely winning the standup in rounds 1 and 2 until Rashad caught a kick in round 3. Rashad has never been that great at getting inside on long fighters.

Lyoto does, sure. He was countering Jones long strikes by getting in with his straights. And he was doing it. The primary difference is Lyoto (and other strikers Jones has faced) is that they want to get in and out. They don't want to play the clinch game with Jones as that is one of his strongest areas.

Cormier on the other hand will have no issue in engaging a clinch against Jones as he is a far better, stronger, and bigger wrestler than Lyoto or Rashad were.

Like Electra said, part of what makes Jones range so dangerous is that even if you manage to get inside on him he still has his wrestling and size to fall back on. Cormier should be able to negate much of that with his own wrestling.

I'm in agreement with the vast majority of what you're saying but I have one minor disagreement. I recently rewatched the Forrest v. Rashad fight to see exactly how the striking was going down (because I often hear how Forrest was clearly winning before getting stopped) and I found that it was more or less even, maybe giving the edge to Forrest by a small amount.

Budd Ty · 01-14-2013, 06:19 PM

Did you really think Mir would snap Big Nog's arm? Cormier is no BJJ master like Nog! If this fight goes to the ground I give the edge to Mir! Cormier better KO him on the feet because if he takes Mir down, Mir wil grab a limb, and well, we will see if Cormier can defend!

Budd Ty · 01-14-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by liverkick83

Come on now u really think that

Did you really think Mir would snap Big Nog's arm? Cormier is no BJJ master like Nog! If this fight goes to the ground I give the edge to Mir! Cormier better KO him on the feet because if he takes Mir down, Mir wil grab a limb, and well, we will see if Cormier can defend!

ShreddinMMA · 01-14-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JayElectra

I'm in agreement with the vast majority of what you're saying but I have one minor disagreement. I recently rewatched the Forrest v. Rashad fight to see exactly how the striking was going down (because I often hear how Forrest was clearly winning before getting stopped) and I found that it was more or less even, maybe giving the edge to Forrest by a small amount.

I'll go back and rewatch. I think what stuck in my mind was when Forrest backed up Rashad in the plum and starting teeing off. That fight was so long ago now I have a hard time remembering it in detail.

RogerTheAlien · 01-14-2013, 06:27 PM

Jones by whatever he wants!

ShreddinMMA · 01-14-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Budd Ty

Did you really think Mir would snap Big Nog's arm? Cormier is no BJJ master like Nog! If this fight goes to the ground I give the edge to Mir! Cormier better KO him on the feet because if he takes Mir down, Mir wil grab a limb, and well, we will see if Cormier can defend!

Well...that's the trouble. Going to the ground.

Cormier is not an easy man to takedown. His shorter height and his massive freestyle experience make him a very difficult man to get a takedown on.

JayElectra · 01-14-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ShreddinMMA

I'll go back and rewatch. I think what stuck in my mind was when Forrest backed up Rashad in the plum and starting teeing off. That fight was so long ago now I have a hard time remembering it in detail.

Yeah, I did, too. I was discussing Anderson's win over Forrest and one of the Anderson fans claimed that Forrest had been dominating Rashad so I had to give it a rewatch.