You guys sure know how to take something simple and make it complicated.
Isn't that the premise of a "striking forum". If ya want to make it simple, that's what the gym is for......... eh?
Badger hunting is an art, one to be taken seriously and scientifically if you hope to avoid the wrath and repercussions of sticking your face in harms way!...........
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Last edited by ssullivan80; 01-07-2013 at 05:09 PM.
You'll get some very contradicting advice depending on the training background of who's giving it. A traditional Muay Thai purist is going to see this technique far different than a Kyokushin, Dutch MT, TKD or Karate practitioner will, so take it accordingly and make your own observations through implementation. The ideal technique, is the one that's effective for the individual practitioner.
An interesting way to see the technically fundamental differences between MT purist vs. Kyokushin or "Dutch MT" practitioners is with the concept of the "step out" when kicking. The traditional MT fighter will step out farther on a low kick and that step will progressively work inward as the height of the kick increases, to being either non-existent or extremely subtle when they throw the kick as a head kick. The Kyokushin/TMA or Dutch MT (pivot kicker) practitioner will do the opposite almost, as the kick get's higher they will subtly step out (laterally) a little bit more (not as drastic as the mt example, but still clearly apparent if you watch closely). In short, they'll do the exact opposite with the step n kick principal (given same/similar proximity to target as well. The MT purist will need more space/separation vertically as the kick gets higher vs. more space horizontally for the other....... if that makes sense ?).
The last year or two, I took a bunch of engineering physics classes. One day after I was hitting the punching bag with hook kicks and falling forward, and it hit me that it was because being all extended gave no place for the equal and opposite force to go but to throw me. So I started arching my back and pulling my upper body back with the impact, which countered the impact force and let me start hook kicking the heavy bag full power, without slipping or falling. It isn't a real part of the technique as taught, but usually it is taught by non-fighters against flimsy pads, and many people who use that kick seem to trip a lot sparring.
Critically thinking through the physics of martial arts when I hear about them has helped me cut a lot of BS from my fighting techniques. Honestly, even if people from fighting schools disagree about the right way of doing things, usually I can parse out that both are right for reasons they might not even know, because the fighting cut the BS out somewhere along the way.
I'd be curious to get into the differences of MT vs. Kyokushin stepping with the kicks. I bet it would unlock some striking techniques I wouldn't think of otherwise.
are you working your kicks for muay thai only or kick boxing in general ?
in kickboxing it is just as important to practice kicks without using the follow thru method , the follow thru method is designed to get a person back into their fighting stance without switching stance ,
when combinations or pursuing a person becoms a factor the follow thru /step pivot method is alot slower , that is why the pivoting as you kick and recoiling the kick is implemented in most tma's , it is good to learn both and be able to mix in to your kicking game ,
the paricular kick you are working on is a chopping low kick , it can be used on the front of the opponents leg or the side , depends on where you do your step pivot , you can chop down on the neck with the same kick , you should be also practicing going striaght across the body and also chopping on an angle upwards ,
i personally dont like to practice kicks without a heavy bag or hand pads , i find it screws up technique rather than helps it , your body has to do certain unnecccesary motions in order to control the kick and it just plain fucks up your knees , i would much rather smash a bag or mitts , it gives you some resistance.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
above is ernesto hoost hilight , one of the best low kickers ever , i see alot of people posting to lean back and do this and that when they kick i dont agree , sometimes it better to lean forward and sit on a kick as ernesto does
I actually do it for self defense sparring, under MMA rules for the most part. I'm not really doing it for a competition. Thanks for the video.
As far as hitting while going up or down, doesn't the arcing motion I'm using cover all that? I can adjust the angle of the hit by making the impact at a different time in the arc, and change the level of the arc by aiming. For the most part, I can't do it any quicker.
i personally dont like to practice kicks without a heavy bag or hand pads , i find it screws up technique rather than helps it , your body has to do certain unnecccesary motions in order to control the kick and it just plain fucks up your knees , i would much rather smash a bag or mitts , it gives you some resistance.
I agree in a sense. Practicing low/mid kicks it does require you using certain unnecessary movements, as the need to control a kick post impact shouldn't exist in low/mid kicks...... you should really never completely miss making contact with something on either. It does however help with developing flexibility and core control, so it has it's place. Which is the exact reason I feel the opposite about practicing high kicks this way, where doing so without an intended target does have a practical and realistic application in the ring. Personally, if I am "shadowkicking" I am only doing so with high kicks. It still allows you to develop the control (core muscle) and balance and has a realistic and practical application. It's also far less strenuous on the knees as the weight on the post leg decreases as the height of the kick increases (higher up on toes).
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I actually do it for self defense sparring, under MMA rules for the most part. I'm not really doing it for a competition. Thanks for the video.
As far as hitting while going up or down, doesn't the arcing motion I'm using cover all that? I can adjust the angle of the hit by making the impact at a different time in the arc, and change the level of the arc by aiming. For the most part, I can't do it any quicker.
thats why you cant do it quiker , to perform that arc requires your body to move differently than if you were to kick across or upward , there is no whip in an arcing kick , there is a hammer/nail effect but less whipping motion.
sometimes you have to cut upwards sneaking a kick under the elbow to the liver , sometimes you cut straight across , sometimes you cut against a leaning body as to be perpendicular to the object , you seem like a very bright person who follows the laws of physics and the principles of body mechanics , thats what its all about '"science" martial arts are based on science ,
how are you going to chop a liver with a downward arcing kick ? not possible without contorting ones body ,, so that must mean you have to change the angle of attack .
It's definitely more "rewarding" to kick pads/bags/people...but it's also necessary to have time kicking the air. Builds the necessary supporting muscles for control of the kick.
As far as the kick in question is concerned, simply put its "Te Kod"...essentially a down-angle kick and the opposite of the up-angle kick "Te chiang".
You can do it with or without a triangle step, but for low kicks you traditionally want to come at the target from a flanked angle and while many advocate putting the lead arm straight out as opposed to swinging it back, that's a varied preference.
And to be honest, the name is just a name. You can throw leg kicks with all three directions...Kod, Tad, or Chiang (diagonally down, sideways, diagonally upward) just the same as you can the head.
I also prefer to sit on my low kicks (lower elevation) with my head off center as opposed to leaning back. My guard is somewhere between forward and swinging, and I usually approach from the outside of the lead leg.
I'll add that you need alot of heavybag kicking to wipe clean your shins from nerve ending. Sad part is that it grows back.
One is only as sharp as his shins.
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