Why do BJJ/MMA people think wrestling is only takedowns?

[Grapplingwizard**]

Whenever I hear someone talking about wrestling they are actually just referring to takedowns whenever it is someone from the mma or bjj world. I hear it all of the time, non stop. There is sooooo much more to wrestling than just takedowns. That would be like saying BJJ only mean about having someone in your guard and executing submissions from there, but it's not. In wrestling my coach said he actually hated the neutral position (when both guys are on the feet) and preferred being being on the ground on top. There are moves like half nelsons, barbwire, dog tail, 2 on 1, crossface, cradle, leg ride, iowa ride, tight waist chop, tight waist far ankle, chicken wing and cross wrist, chicken wing, double chicken wing, 2 on 1 tilt, dogtail tilt, stand ups, sit outs, switches, hip heist, granby roll, peterson roll, head and arm pin, reverse half, etc. Just to name some wrestling moves that are done on the ground. Yes, wrestling is the dominant TD art, but its not just TD's. BJJ has the best attacks from the bottom, but its not just bottom game. So why do people think wrestling is only takedowns??

[TheHereticJay]

Because... wrestling is all about takedowns. All that other stuff isn't REALLY wrestling. It's just stuff you do after the takedown, AKA the important part.

[Grapplingwizard**]

Originally Posted by TheHereticJay

Because... wrestling is all about takedowns. All that other stuff isn't REALLY wrestling. It's just stuff you do after the takedown, AKA the important part.

Are you ... trolling? Most wrestling matches only have 1 round out of 3 where the match starts on the feet. The other 2 most likely start in referee's position (on the ground). One guy can choose neutral, but most people choose bottom because more points can be scored.

[TheHereticJay]

Originally Posted by Grapplingwizard

Are you ... trolling? Most wrestling matches only have 1 round out of 3 where the match starts on the feet. The other 2 most likely start in referee's position (on the ground). One guy can choose neutral, but most people choose bottom because more points can be scored.

From the bottom..where he gets a point for escaping and then more for when he executes a takedown on his standing/ kneeling opponent depending on the position taken by the opponent... so once again comes back to takedowns.

[Dirty Holt]

Pardon my ignorance, but I am intrigued by the moves you call Barbwire and The Dog Tail. What exactly are those moves?

[Grapplingwizard**]

Originally Posted by TheHereticJay

From the bottom..where he gets a point for escaping and then more for when he executes a takedown on his standing/ kneeling opponent depending on the position taken by the opponent... so once again comes back to takedowns.

He could also hit a switch. Also your opponent could chose bottom, putting you on top. So yeah, TD's are a huge part of wrestling, half of it, but the other half is moves from top or bottom.

[Grapplingwizard**]

Originally Posted by Dirty Holt

Pardon my ignorance, but I am intrigued by the moves you call Barbwire and The Dog Tail. What exactly are those moves?

Kind of hard to explain here on sherdog, but I'll do my best. You probably know these moves but by a different name. A barbwire is a crossface with the arm but you put your free arm under their body and grab the same arm you are grabbing with your crossface arm combo. from there you walk around the head. a Dogtail comes from a 2 on 1, when you have the 2on1 and then let go with one hand and reach in between his legs through the crotch and regrab his arm, then let go with the hand that is still grabbing the arm and reconnect that one also after his arm is threaded between his legs.

[pheonix5]

There are moves like half nelsons, barbwire, dog tail, 2 on 1, crossface, cradle, leg ride, iowa ride, tight waist chop, tight waist far ankle, chicken wing and cross wrist, chicken wing, double chicken wing, 2 on 1 tilt, dogtail tilt, stand ups, sit outs, switches, hip heist, granby roll, peterson roll, head and arm pin, reverse half, etc.

In relation to MMA none of these are submissions(although a chicken wing sucks). Wrestling is all about getting top position and staying there. I will say wrestling has good clinch work when you have someone against a wall or cage not allowing them to have space which is good for dirty boxing.

[Grapplingwizard**]

Originally Posted by pheonix5

In relation to MMA none of these are submissions(although a chicken wing sucks). Wrestling is all about getting top position and staying there. I will say wrestling has good clinch work when you have someone against a wall or cage not allowing them to have space which is good for dirty boxing.

Just because they are not submissions doesn't mean they are bad. A guard pass isn't a submission but definitely a good move. Cain velasquez uses 2 on 1 wrist control, cross wrist control, tight waists, and iowa rides all the time.

[snoop dogg]

because wrestlers focus more on take downs than bjj guys. and bjj guys focus more on subs than wrestlers. pretty simple