Tatsuya Kawajiri has the best MMA wrestling under 170lbs

[Goreds1994]

Bubba Jenkins, Lance Palmer, Chas Skelly all disagree.

[Evangelion]

Originally Posted by zuffa zack

I like how you purposely left out Hansen and Thomson, some of Kawajiri's biggest wins while only highlighting Bendo's biggest wins to prove your point. One of the reasons I find your post funny was Njokuani, Guida, Varner, etc were being portrayed as these great fighters.

Now if were talking about rankings and accomplishments, the wins do stack up together. Kawajiri's opponents had similar rankings and did similar things to Cerrone, Diaz, Miller, etc

I do think Bendo's opponents are more skilled fighters but that wasn't what I was addressing.

Guida was a perennial top ten fighter and Varner was a top ten fighter as well. Njokuani may not be a great fighter but he's had more success in the Wec/Ufc then Omigawa did in the Ufc and yet people are using a win over a 1-6 Ufc fighter as a springboard to discuss Omigawa as the best wrestler in mma.

Also I listed both PUnk and Hansen so I don't know how you think I left them out.

Btw no Shaolin and GZ have not accomplished as much as Cerrone, Diaz, or Edgar. The fact people are even arguing this is hilarious but go ahead and argue that them beating each other, Hansen, and Daisuke matters as much as Edgar beating BJ Penn and Gray Maynard. It just makes you look even more delusional.

[zuffa zack**]

Originally Posted by Evangelion

Guida was a perennial top ten fighter and Varner was a top ten fighter as well. Njokuani may not be a great fighter but he's had more success in the Wec/Ufc then Omigawa did in the Ufc and yet people are using a win over a 1-6 Ufc fighter as a springboard to discuss Omigawa as the best wrestler in mma.

Also I listed both PUnk and Hansen so I don't know how you think I left them out.

Btw no Shaolin and GZ have not accomplished as much as Cerrone, Diaz, or Edgar. The fact people are even arguing this is hilarious but go ahead and argue that them beating each other, Hansen, and Daisuke matters as much as Edgar beating BJ Penn and Gray Maynard. It just makes you look even more delusional.

1. You're new around here because TTR has been on Kawajiri's balls for years now.
2. You left them out in the 2nd post.
3. My point was that their rankings were similar. JZ, Shaolin, Yves, were all in the top ten like Diaz, Miller, Whoever are in the top 10. They were in the same position. But you probably wouldn't know about that since, as I pointed out, you're new here. I've already made my point: I was laughing more at some of the lesser guys on Henderson's resume and the fact that Kawajiri was in a similar position to Ben today. And yes I agree that if you put Ben's opponents vs Kawajiri's, Ben's would probably come out on top. But theres a difference between skill and accomplishment.

[Evangelion]

Originally Posted by zuffa zack

1. You're new around here because TTR has been on Kawajiri's balls for years now.
2. You left them out in the 2nd post.
3. My point was that their rankings were similar. JZ, Shaolin, Yves, were all in the top ten like Diaz, Miller, Whoever are in the top 10. They were in the same position. But you probably wouldn't know about that since, as I pointed out, you're new here. I've already made my point: I was laughing more at some of the lesser guys on Henderson's resume and the fact that Kawajiri was in a similar position to Ben today. And yes I agree that if you put Ben's opponents vs Kawajiri's, Ben's would probably come out on top. But theres a difference between skill and accomplishment.

uhm no I've probably been posting far longer then you. So your argument holds no wait.

it's funny how instead of showing us these great victories that are better than Edgar beating Penn or Maynard you instead chose the "omgz you are a noob" argument.

That's probably because the utter stupidity of believing beating GZ, Hansen, Yves or on somehow trumps beating Penn or Maynard is so utterly ridiculous you'd have to be an idiot to argue it. Shit even Guida's wins over Pettis, Punk Dos Anjos, Nate Diaz and are better than anything Yves, Shaolin or GZ have accomplished.

Btw it's hilarious to hear people downplay Guida's accomplishments because he lost to Endo and then talk up Thomson's. You know the same Thomson who lost to Guida.

Shit the only top lw's GZ ever beat was Shaolin and Kikuno who isn't even top 25. Nearly all of his best wins are over guys who should of been fighting at fw.

I'd love to hear your argument as to why beating Shaolin, Kikuno, Omigawa, Bartimus, Takaya, is better than Guida beating Punk, Dos Anjos, Nate Diaz, Pettis, Gomi, Danzig Aurelio, and Bartimus but I'm sure you'll just call me a Zuffa Zombie or a noob rather than responding with an actual argument based on facts.

[zuffa zack**]

Originally Posted by Evangelion

uhm no I've probably been posting far longer then you. So your argument holds no wait.

it's funny how instead of showing us these great victories that are better than Edgar beating Penn or Maynard you instead chose the "omgz you are a noob" argument.

That's probably because the utter stupidity of believing beating GZ, Hansen, Yves or on somehow trumps beating Penn or Maynard is so utterly ridiculous you'd have to be an idiot to argue it.

Good job at missing the point. I feel sorry for you if you really didn't get my point. I'll assume you didn't and that you're just one of those people who can't stand to lose an e-argument and will just continue til one of us stops.

[Evangelion]

Originally Posted by zuffa zack

Good job at missing the point. I feel sorry for you if you really didn't get my point. I'll assume you didn't and that you're just one of those people who can't stand to lose an e-argument and will just continue til one of us stops.

I already won the argument. I argued facts, you argued I was a noob.

[zuffa zack**]

Originally Posted by Evangelion

I already won the argument. I argued facts, you argued I was a noob.

Whatever helps you sleep at night but nothing I said was incorrect. And I called you a noob based off the fact that you didn't know who TTR was. Keep it up sport, win more e-arguments and fight the good fight.

[Evangelion]

Originally Posted by zuffa zack

Whatever helps you sleep at night but nothing I said was incorrect. And I called you a noob based off the fact that you didn't know who TTR was. Keep it up sport, win more e-arguments and fight the good fight.

I never said anything about TTR so assuming I didn't know he was a Kawa nuthugger(when he's had a Kawa AV forever) is a wrong assumption.

Yes what you said was incorrect. You tried to argue that all top ten wins are equal. Obviously that's not correct. Beating Thales Leites, Patrick Cote or Brett Roges, when all were top ten, does not equal beating Fedor, BJ Penn, or Gray Maynard.

Arguing that all top ten wins are equal is silly. There is nothing farther from the truth.

[GoForkYourself]

classic thread.

[space pioneer]

Originally Posted by Evangelion

yeah mma math. That's always the beginning of an intelligent debate.

Clearly Shaolin would be Dream and OneFC FW champ as well right?

mma math cannot be argued with. i think you on that mma-side meth.