What is Dana talking about.

[aduriz]

let's see some stuff that ufc / US mma copied from boxing :
-interim belts
-catchweights
-10 point must system
-the original 8 boxing divisions
-night before the fight weight in
-insistence on using boxing terminologies like " undisputed champion " when in fact it makes no sense in the ufc

the rest is copied from the WWE

there is nothing original in the ufc , and there is nothing boxing can copy from it

[Mr2urbo]

Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity

Off topic but I wouldn't mind seeing ref cams in both boxing and UFC.

They used it for the Khan-Garcia fight and thought was really cool, it gives the audience a vantage point to decide whether it was good stoppage or not, Khan's facial expression after the last knock down showed he was completely out of the fight.

[JayElectra]

As a big fan of Hopkins, I know to take most things that he says with a grain of salt. That video was rambling and nonsensical.

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by Mr2urbo

They used it for the Khan-Garcia fight and thought was really cool, it gives the audience a vantage point to decide whether it was good stoppage or not, Khan's facial expression after the last knock down showed he was completely out of the fight.

Really? Why don't I remember that? I have to quit watching fights fucked up.

[Mr2urbo]

Originally Posted by aduriz

let's see some stuff that ufc / US mma copied from boxing :
-interim belts
-catchweights
-10 point must system
-the original 8 boxing divisions
-night before the fight weight in
-insistence on using boxing terminologies like " undisputed champion " when in fact it makes no sense in the ufc

the rest is copied from the WWE

there is nothing original in the ufc , and there is nothing boxing can copy from it

Of all the things they copied, not one of them is anything from Pride, and if Boxing ever attempt to copy anything from UFC/MMA I hope its from Pride (the mile long ring entrances, fireworks laser shows, freak shows or celibrity boxing similar to Butterbean and so on)

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by aduriz

let's see some stuff that ufc / US mma copied from boxing :
-interim belts
-catchweights
-10 point must system
-the original 8 boxing divisions
-night before the fight weight in
-insistence on using boxing terminologies like " undisputed champion " when in fact it makes no sense in the ufc

the rest is copied from the WWE

there is nothing original in the ufc , and there is nothing boxing can copy from it

One term that UFC has copied from boxing which pisses me off (for some reason) is "Baddest man on the Planet."

I don't think any UFC fighter (with maybe the exception of Jose Aldo, JBJ and Anderson Silva) have come close to capturing that aura of baddest man as Mike Tyson did in the 80s

[consortium11]

Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity

One term that UFC has copied from boxing which pisses me off (for some reason) is "Baddest man on the Planet."

I don't think any UFC fighter (with maybe the exception of Jose Aldo, JBJ and Anderson Silva) have come close to capturing that aura of baddest man as Mike Tyson did in the 80s

It's one of the things that frustrate me in most UFC Heavyweight title bouts... the way Rogan (and others as well but mainly him) keep trying to hype the winner as "the baddest man of the planet". The UFC 155 promo consisted of little else.

There's a reason that throughout the history of boxing there are only really three heavyweight champions who you could really think of as a "baddest man on the planet" and only one of them really made the term his own... Liston, young Foreman and Tyson. It's not (just) about winning bouts and scoring knockouts... its the persona, the attitude, the aura... it's the fact that to this day people still say if Tyson hit the average man on the street he'd kill them with a single punch. It's the tension, the sense of barely contained anger and rage, the hint of maliciousness, the feeling that the guy is taking a savage pleasure not just in winning but in destroying his opponent.

But more than that it's not a title you "win". It's not something one announcer or even one PR company can give to someone (think how ludicrous it would feel for either of the Klits to give themselves that moniker). It's something that sort of just happens... it just gets accepted. You don't have two fighters face off to decide who gets the title...

[XCuTioNeR]

Hamed had the PRIDE entrance before PRIDE.

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by consortium11

It's one of the things that frustrate me in most UFC Heavyweight title bouts... the way Rogan (and others as well but mainly him) keep trying to hype the winner as "the baddest man of the planet". The UFC 155 promo consisted of little else.

There's a reason that throughout the history of boxing there are only really three heavyweight champions who you could really think of as a "baddest man on the planet" and only one of them really made the term his own... Liston, young Foreman and Tyson. It's not (just) about winning bouts and scoring knockouts... its the persona, the attitude, the aura... it's the fact that to this day people still say if Tyson hit the average man on the street he'd kill them with a single punch. It's the tension, the sense of barely contained anger and rage, the hint of maliciousness, the feeling that the guy is taking a savage pleasure not just in winning but in destroying his opponent.

But more than that it's not a title you "win". It's not something one announcer or even one PR company can give to someone (think how ludicrous it would feel for either of the Klits to give themselves that moniker). It's something that sort of just happens... it just gets accepted. You don't have two fighters face off to decide who gets the title...

Agreed on all points...

Regarding the victories, it's not just getting wins but the manner of winning...you have to destroy your opponents, (that is why I mentioend JBJ, Aldo and A Silva)

Mike tyson and young Foreman had that menancing, invincibility aura about them...
they not only wanted to win, they wanted to fu*k you up for even trying...

Post Mike Tyson, I don't think any HW came close to capturing that moniker of "baddest man on the planet."

Holyfield didn't, Bowe Didn't, Lewis not so much (maybe if he had more Rahman like KO victories), neither of the Klits...


and even with the Apex of Pride...I wouldn't have given Fedor that title as well...he won convincingly but he was always so chill...never any emotion outside of the ring.

Maybe had Andrew Golota destroyed Bowe with wins and Lewis would I think that label may be appropriate...

[aduriz]

the " baddest man on the planet " sounds even more ridiculous when you realize that the record for successful consecutive heavyweight title defenses is 2... ( held by tim sylvia btw )