junior dos santos : i can KO wladimir klitschko

[MisterT]

Originally Posted by Almus Monk

jds shouldnt have said what he did, but after watching wlads recents competition and fights, you cant blame jds for thinking that.

Idiocy at its finest.

Have you even seen Wlad's recent fights? They were complete dominations. By comparison, JDS isn't even fit to be a sparring partner for Wlad, much less an actual contender.

Junior's comments were those of a man light-heartedly bragging (which is perfectly okay). All fighters make these types of comments. What's not okay is people like you thinking Wlad is some sort of walk in the park just because he fights boxers that look sub-par. Saying "after watching wlads recents competition and fights, you cant blame jds for thinking that" displays a severe lack of understanding when it comes to boxing basics.

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by WatchMeDoMe

MMA is one of those things that sounds awesome in theory, but in reality its just terrible.

Boxing is great
Juijitsu matches are actually quite interesting, even for someone like me that doesn't know whats going on
Wrestling is decent

but when you try to put them all together, its nothing but an unwatchable mess.

This is just nonsense...yes some hyped MMA fights hardly live up to their expectations but many other matches are incredibly fun to watch, and truly admirable in terms of the skill required to excel at that level.

Miller vs Lauzon last night was a great fight...striking (yes, sloppy compared to boxing) and great BJJ and submission attempts...

I would also advise you to watch the Chan SUng Jung vs Poirer fight from last year...

or the Eddie Alvarez vs Michael Chandler fight..


but I do agree...some fights are terrible... (Brock vs Overeem)

[Darth Shlong]

He should have done it when he had a chance.

[consortium11]

Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity

Very disapointing fight. (not because I bet on JDS) but he looked exhausted after round one, good on Cain for implementing his fight plan, but he looked pretty gassed as well after round 2.

These did not look like the "Best" in the world at Heavyweight. Not sure what happened to JDS...he has gone 3 rounds before at frenetic paces and looked fine...I guess he figured he would KO Cain in round 1 and didn't prepare for a 5 round war.

I honestly can't think of an example.

He's been to the third round three times, against shot Cro-Cop, Big Country and Carwin and the pace of each of those bouts was rarely more than pedestrian.

Against Carwin, Carwin looked so terrified of gassing himself (somewhat understandable considering his essentially year long layoff, injury history and farcical performance against Brock) that he barely did anything, being little more than target practice for Santos.

Nelson was willing for each of the three rounds but simply lacks the footspeed or movement to really pressure Cigano. The bout had a fairly standard rhythm; Nelson would plod in, Cigano would counter, land a combination or a big shot and move away, gaining the time and space to take a breath, reset and go again.

Cro Cop was never the most high-output of strikers even in his prime, instead being more of a "sniper", throwing single shots or brief combinations. At the stage of the career he was when the two met Cro Cop could barely put together a combination. Santos set the pace and outside of the off body and leg kick had almost nothing to worry about. Cro Cop would simply cover up when pressured, rarely countered and kept his own pace remarkably low. Santos could breath whenever he wanted.

As for why he struggled in this bout, while I think underestimating Cain did come into it, I think for the first time in his career Santos faced someone who was faster than him and knew how to exert effective pressure. Unlike the first bout where an injured Cain didn't trust his cardio or his takedowns and so stood aimlessly for far too long, here Cain pressured Santos the entire bout. Pressure drains you, even if you're avoiding punches and stuffing takedowns. Its both mentally and physically taxing and Santos was never given a chance to get comfortable. Cain was in his face, metaphorically and literally, the entire bout. Santos is used to setting the pace himself and, when needed, being able to take breaks. Cain never gave him the opportunity. Santos found himself against a faster opponent who mixed up his game well and never gave him a chance to get comfortable.

In addition it's worth noting that Santos got dropped and hurt badly in that first round (to say nothing of the follow up). Getting dazed (and Santos clearly took a while... if he ever did... to clear his head) drains a fighter as much as a couple of hard rounds. Especially when combined with Cain's suffocating attack where Santos never had a moment to clear his head, always having to worry about a flurry or a takedown I'm not exactly surprised he appeared gassed. That's not to say his overall cardio wasn't an issue; we haven't seen him in a high-paced bout which goes longer than a couple of minutes... but he damage he took contributed here as well.

[Sunfish]

Originally Posted by Almus Monk

? dana said he as fine.

and i thought the fight was pretty cool.
was better than watching klitchko jab against david haye for 12 rounds when i paid £15, so dont get up on your high horses yet heavy boxing fans.
people need to realize when you add a high calliber wrestler, whos pressuring with kicks, knees and some punches aswell as hardcore takedowns, its hard to look good standing.

jds shouldnt have said what he did, but after watching wlads recents competition and fights, you cant blame jds for thinking that.

Ignoring the rest of your post that is... interesting, I read that he broke his jaw, if he didn't, my bad.

[Corleone187]

hmm...I would replace the word "Round" with the word "Minute" if he were to fight Wlad cause Cain is kind of a wrestler and it seemed his hands were a bit better then JDS lol

I don't blame JDS for saying these things tho, I blame the bubble that is the UFC. It puts the UFC fighters into kind of a Stockholm Syndrome mindset of self greatness

[LegendaryBrolly]

Originally Posted by consortium11

I honestly can't think of an example.

He's been to the third round three times, against shot Cro-Cop, Big Country and Carwin and the pace of each of those bouts was rarely more than pedestrian.

Against Carwin, Carwin looked so terrified of gassing himself (somewhat understandable considering his essentially year long layoff, injury history and farcical performance against Brock) that he barely did anything, being little more than target practice for Santos.

Nelson was willing for each of the three rounds but simply lacks the footspeed or movement to really pressure Cigano. The bout had a fairly standard rhythm; Nelson would plod in, Cigano would counter, land a combination or a big shot and move away, gaining the time and space to take a breath, reset and go again.

Cro Cop was never the most high-output of strikers even in his prime, instead being more of a "sniper", throwing single shots or brief combinations. At the stage of the career he was when the two met Cro Cop could barely put together a combination. Santos set the pace and outside of the off body and leg kick had almost nothing to worry about. Cro Cop would simply cover up when pressured, rarely countered and kept his own pace remarkably low. Santos could breath whenever he wanted.

As for why he struggled in this bout, while I think underestimating Cain did come into it, I think for the first time in his career Santos faced someone who was faster than him and knew how to exert effective pressure. Unlike the first bout where an injured Cain didn't trust his cardio or his takedowns and so stood aimlessly for far too long, here Cain pressured Santos the entire bout. Pressure drains you, even if you're avoiding punches and stuffing takedowns. Its both mentally and physically taxing and Santos was never given a chance to get comfortable. Cain was in his face, metaphorically and literally, the entire bout. Santos is used to setting the pace himself and, when needed, being able to take breaks. Cain never gave him the opportunity. Santos found himself against a faster opponent who mixed up his game well and never gave him a chance to get comfortable.

In addition it's worth noting that Santos got dropped and hurt badly in that first round (to say nothing of the follow up). Getting dazed (and Santos clearly took a while... if he ever did... to clear his head) drains a fighter as much as a couple of hard rounds. Especially when combined with Cain's suffocating attack where Santos never had a moment to clear his head, always having to worry about a flurry or a takedown I'm not exactly surprised he appeared gassed. That's not to say his overall cardio wasn't an issue; we haven't seen him in a high-paced bout which goes longer than a couple of minutes... but he damage he took contributed here as well.

I didnt really see JDS cardio as being the big issue here. I mean Cain gassed pretty hard in the 3rd. If JDS was a tired as the commentary/most people believe he never would have routinely popped right back up from all Cains takedowns.

The first 2 rounds I saw JDS struggling to get since senses back basically from the extreme amount of damage he was taking. Not really him gassing.

JDS's main problem in that fight was Cain's jab. The only time hes ever had to deal with it was against Mirko who landed it repeatedly along with his straight. Problem was Mirko never followed up, while Cain did. From the start Cain had a quick hard jab in JDS face and JDS could not deal with it.

[snoop dogg]

Originally Posted by Corleone187

hmm...I would replace the word "Round" with the word "Minute" if he were to fight Wlad cause Cain is kind of a wrestler and it seemed his hands were a bit better then JDS lol

I don't blame JDS for saying these things tho, I blame the bubble that is the UFC. It puts the UFC fighters into kind of a Stockholm Syndrome mindset of self greatness

Cain has always had the best boxing at HW. that combo he used to ko nog was just beautiful. the 1st fight was a fluke

[XCuTioNeR]

Originally Posted by snoop dogg

"Cain has always had the best boxing at HW."

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by XCuTioNeR

Lmao...one of the rare times where a gif of yours was appropriate.