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12-24-2012, 01:21 PM
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Pac was meant to be a filler fight though. Cotto was meant to be the one they were building to finish Oscar until Marg derailed him. They threw Pac in to keep Oscar busy. If not for a few changes Cotto would be the mega star today.
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12-24-2012, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Seano
It was probably the most obvious,easy to break down fight I ever saw made.
Oscar was the favorite because he was big and for no other reason.
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Don't you think the split against May had something to do with it? I mean, that fight was wider than it was, but betting odds has always been based mostly on PERCEPTION, and not really actual analysis. The odds are placed by who the oddsmakers thinks people will place more bets on. It's understandable that the books would think that the betting public would put too much stock into the "close" fight with Floyd.
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12-24-2012, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Don't you think the split against May had something to do with it? I mean, that fight was wider than it was, but betting odds has always been based mostly on PERCEPTION, and not really actual analysis. The odds are placed by who the oddsmakers thinks people will place more bets on. It's understandable that the books would think that the betting public would put too much stock into the "close" fight with Floyd.
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I personally didn't see the Floyd fight as that close.
I looked at his fight with Forbes.
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12-24-2012, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mozfonky
oscar didn't look that bad in the mayweather fight and I think he fought before pac but i didn't see it, nothing would have told me he'd look that piss poor on fight night. He never was a truly great fighter but he had the promise of it, when he was in his early to mid twenties he could fight his ass off. They tried to say the weight of welter was too low for him but I don't believe that, he may have had trouble but only because he didn't have the discipline he used to, because he wasn't even a natural welterweight, he was best at lightweight. I still think that DLH at 25 instead of 35 would have knocked Pac silly with left hooks.
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DLH in his 20s was a great fighter...I'm not sure if he could defeat Manny but who knows...
LIke you I was surprised to see how bad and diminished DLH's skill set was during the Manny fight...
I had Manny winning on points via 12 round UD....I didn't think he would destroy the fu*k out of him like he did...
Because it wasn't too far after PBF and Mayorga...I thought the wisdom, experience, and weight would all be advantages for DLH in his fight against Manny...I was wrong obviously.
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12-24-2012, 01:45 PM
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Speaking of how off odds can be in MMA...
JDS is only -160 against Cain.
he should be at least -250...
Edit: As of today, JDS is -200. 12/24/2012
Opening odds he was at -140
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12-24-2012, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity
DLH in his 20s was a great fighter...I'm not sure if he could defeat Manny but who knows...
LIke you I was surprised to see how bad and diminished DLH's skill set was during the Manny fight...
I had Manny winning on points via 12 round UD....I didn't think he would destroy the fu*k out of him like he did...
Because it wasn't too far after PBF and Mayorga...I thought the wisdom, experience, and weight would all be advantages for DLH in his fight against Manny...I was wrong obviously.
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did you see the Forbes fight? I couldn't wrap my head around how a guy who struggled with Frobes was going to beat Pac.Plus, Pac is just a bad fight for Oscar all around.
Prime for prime, Oscar probably would have knocked him out. Oscar was a different guy in the 140 neighborhood.
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12-24-2012, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity
Speaking of how off odds can be in MMA...
JDS is only -160 against Cain.
he should be at least -250...
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Nah, its HW mma. Whichever one lands with a sloppy haymaker first is going to win.
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12-24-2012, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Seano
Nah, its HW mma. Whichever one lands with a sloppy haymaker first is going to win.
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It's more complicated than that...but coming from you I'm not surprised.
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12-24-2012, 01:49 PM
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We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.
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Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity
DLH in his 20s was a great fighter...I'm not sure if he could defeat Manny but who knows...
LIke you I was surprised to see how bad and diminished DLH's skill set was during the Manny fight...
I had Manny winning on points via 12 round UD....I didn't think he would destroy the fu*k out of him like he did...
Because it wasn't too far after PBF and Mayorga...I thought the wisdom, experience, and weight would all be advantages for DLH in his fight against Manny...I was wrong obviously.
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people forget how good delahoya was, I never liked him as a man, I always thought he had faulty character and that it would show in the ring eventually. Us ethnics always know a sell out when we see one, that was a problem, with all his smiling and phoniness but the dude could fight, best left hook of his time maybe, not much of a right but a wells schooled fighter who when he was fighting the lightweights he would crush them, he was too big, too good for them, manny would have gotten caught somewhere along the line. DLH's last performance in that vein to my knowledge was the Quartey fight, after that he'd quit against hopkins, not dig down against the trinidad's and the mosleys, still a top fighter up until pac though.
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12-24-2012, 01:50 PM
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It's more complicated than that...but coming from you I'm not surprised.
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I will bet 1000 internet credits that its a one punch KO ending. Possibly with 2 or 3 seconds of GnP.
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