Top 3 Conditioning Tools For BJJ

[DesertStomper]

Originally Posted by eastNYgoon138

Like what?

High intensity interval training, things more towards muscular endurance on top of power lifting.

Originally Posted by Pathogenic

Most BJJ athletes don't really need too much more than that. The three best conditioning tools for BJJ are BJJ skill training (more technical efficiency), light drilling for long periods of time (cardiac output), and hard rolling for short-medium periods of time.

You could probably get by on that. We were talking about what is optimal.

Originally Posted by DatchGuy

Not really.
Who are these high level BJJ practitioners? I'm not trying to be that guy but, have you ever done BJJ or MMA? I'd say sparring is the best conditioning one can do. Not only does it increase your conditioning, it also helps you achieve a better understanding of how to portion your energy.

I don't know any high level BJJ practitioner who simply power lifts + mat time for their BJJ S&C. I'm sure there are a few, but I don't think it's very common.

Even Caio Terra, the guy who claims you don't need any extra strength and conditioning to be a world champ, says he does high intensity interval training on his versa climber. Many high level BJJ athletes do high intensity work for competitions.

Some do just mat time, but if you walk into most competition geared schools they don't have your normal 15 minute warm-up, stretch, technique, roll type class. They have high intensity styled warm ups that basically emulate HIIT.

This goes for fighters as well. Never seen a fighter who just does mat/sparring/bag/work etc and power lift. Most combat athletes have a balance of strength training, conditioning, and skill training.

And yes for the record I do train BJJ.

[TheeFaulted]

Should have know that HIIT would be the answer.

[DrBdan]

Originally Posted by DesertStomper

High intensity interval training, things more towards muscular endurance on top of power lifting.



You could probably get by on that. We were talking about what is optimal.



I don't know any high level BJJ practitioner who simply power lifts + mat time for their BJJ S&C. I'm sure there are a few, but I don't think it's very common.

Even Caio Terra, the guy who claims you don't need any extra strength and conditioning to be a world champ, says he does high intensity interval training on his versa climber. Many high level BJJ athletes do high intensity work for competitions.

Some do just mat time, but if you walk into most competition geared schools they don't have your normal 15 minute warm-up, stretch, technique, roll type class. They have high intensity styled warm ups that basically emulate HIIT.

This goes for fighters as well. Never seen a fighter who just does mat/sparring/bag/work etc and power lift. Most combat athletes have a balance of strength training, conditioning, and skill training.

And yes for the record I do train BJJ.

You have to be careful when looking at what high level athletes do. What is optimal for them isn't necessarily optimal for a low or mid level athlete. In my opinion a beginner would be best served doing strength training to build a solid strength base and using their sport training for conditioning because that will be enough. Eventually they will reach a point of diminishing returns on their strength training (essentially they become "strong enough") so they can then focus on maintaining their strength and focusing more on conditioning. Throughout all of this skill training should be their #1 priority.

[KnightTemplar]

Originally Posted by Gfreak

Well, first. Powerlifting isn't the only strength sport that it's training will help massively for strength. Strongman training, and Weightlifting are both options, as well as a mix of both. (powerlifting minus the bench, things like that) So that's one of the main parts that I "disagree" with, but that could just be a semantics issue.

As for BJJ. best GPP isn't going to be the same for everyone. Let's assume that a person trains fairly often (3 times a week) and has been training for 2 years. If he has a decent strength base, has decent flexibility. But gasses out after 2 rounds of rolling. I would say the best GPP for him is going to be "extra-curriculer" cardio to try and bring that up.

If he has a decent strength base, good conditioning, but terrible flexibility. An aggressive stretching program (I don't know of one to use as an example here) would arguably be the best GPP for him to improve his BJJ.

Now, keep in mind. I"m in no way whatsoever arguing the effectiveness of a good strength program. For me personally, that was my weak link physically and it has helped TREMENDOUSLY. I just don't believe (unlike Rip) that more strength is the answer to everything. Especially in BJJ.

Agreed. Powerlifting, like all sports, is highly specialized. While I enjoy training the Big 4, and use a program which incorporates certain training methodologies from Powerlifting(5/3/1)I don't train as a Powerlifter would.

However, Martial Artists shouldn't believe they are special little snowflakes and can't use basic Strength Training programs improve their GPP which, when applied correctly through the techniques of their Sport/Art will make them better fighters.

[DrBdan]

I sometimes think people get caught up in terms like powerlifting and weightlifting (referring to Oly lifts) when really what they simply mean is strength training done with relatively low reps and some form of logical programming.

[iama]

Originally Posted by Ethan

Sport specific strength is a myth. Squats and milk.

Lol no. You total moron. Just the most stupid most I've ever seen on the internetz.

[DatchGuy]

Originally Posted by DesertStomper

High intensity interval training, things more towards muscular endurance on top of power lifting.



You could probably get by on that. We were talking about what is optimal.



I don't know any high level BJJ practitioner who simply power lifts + mat time for their BJJ S&C. I'm sure there are a few, but I don't think it's very common.

Even Caio Terra, the guy who claims you don't need any extra strength and conditioning to be a world champ, says he does high intensity interval training on his versa climber. Many high level BJJ athletes do high intensity work for competitions.

Some do just mat time, but if you walk into most competition geared schools they don't have your normal 15 minute warm-up, stretch, technique, roll type class. They have high intensity styled warm ups that basically emulate HIIT.

This goes for fighters as well. Never seen a fighter who just does mat/sparring/bag/work etc and power lift. Most combat athletes have a balance of strength training, conditioning, and skill training.

And yes for the record I do train BJJ.

First off, thank for not taking my response to your post as an attack. Seems like a lot of people on forums feel like if you quote them and disagree you are challenging them.

I would ignore what Caio Terra said about the Versa Climber. He has a monetary incentive to say that he uses that product with great results.

HIIT style intervals can be a great warm up.

I think that a lot of fighters and camps try to glorify there training. In reality you can achieve the same results by keeping it simple. All of these gyms are trying to pass through a door, some gyms sprint around in circles doing stability training and all other kinds of weird shit. Other gyms just simply open the door. Both gyms/athletes get through the door, some people just do more than the others to achieve the same goal. Same with nutrition and weight lifting.

[TheeFaulted]

Originally Posted by iama

Lol no. You total moron. Just the most stupid most I've ever seen on the internetz.

I vaguely remember some saying about a pot and a kettle.

[iama]

Originally Posted by TheeFaulted

I vaguely remember some saying about a pot and a kettle.

No such thing as sport specific strength? I mean c'mon you think all olympians use the same weight training scheme? No exactly that right there is enough to show how stupid that post was.

[LegioTitan]

Originally Posted by iama

No such thing as sport specific strength? I mean c'mon you think all olympians use the same weight training scheme? No exactly that right there is enough to show how stupid that post was.

Your reply here does nothing to support your argument. And I don't mean that as a slight against you as a person.