Carbohydrates and Glycemic Index have no impact on Diabetes risk

[shaunt]

If you eat carbs you're going to get diabetes. And if you think too much, you're going to suffer cognitive impairment - the brain gets used to the neural stimulation and it has to produce even more neural activity to compensate.

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[Nozza]

Originally Posted by Kframe

Low carb is the only thing i have found to produce satisfatory results. I tried doing a "normal" low calorie diet. I had a nutritional specialist plan it out and everything. I was eating 2200 calories and something like 200 carbs a day. She said this was low calorie for my size. Not only did i gain 15lbs right away,(duh i expected that, what happens when you stop low carbing), but the weight loss completely stopped. Not only did i gain my glycogen+water storage weight back, but after following her diet faithfully for months i did not loose a single lbs of weight.

I am not a believer in low calorie diets. They left me not only hungry all the time, but i was also not loosing weight.

Whilst it's good you have a diet that works for you, even you can't break the laws of nature. If you eat less calories than your burn you lose weight.

Yes people gain some water and glycogen weight if they carb up after very low carb diets, but 15lbs? It's hard to believe anyone carries that much water.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by Seriously-Dead

That's great, you found your niche. Not everyone is like you though.

There are a ton of diets that have had experimentally tested positive health outcomes for obese pre-diabetic people including: Mediterranean diet, Paleo, low-carb, low-calorie, low-calorie/low-fat, low-calorie/high-protein, the 'French diet', intermittent fasting, carb backloading, targeted micronutrient supplementation, Zone diet, CRON diet, metformin (yes this works on prediabetics), HIIT, resistance training, LISS cardio, yoga (yes, even yoga), organized sports, meditation.... the list goes on and on and on, with various combinations of these interventions. There are so many health interventions for obesity and pre-diabetes it's almost unfathomable.

And then you have outlier approaches by guys like Matt Stone (180degreehealth), Danny Roddy and Ray Peat, that have had tons of anecdotal success while going against all conventional knowledge, but remain untested in an experimental setting.

Thanks for mentioning those guys on the bottom. Never heard of them and just starting to read through some stuff on Matt's site. Its very interesting.

Would you recommend the book Eat for Heat, if you've read it? Or any more specific stuff from those guys?

[anaconda]

Ok, reading more from these guys shows some really weird stuff and now I get why you said outliers. I always find it funny that certain groups will absolutely kill others (e.g. these guys and paleo) but then engage in the same sort of mob-mentality, groupthink mindset.

[jb41339]

Originally Posted by Nozza

Yes people gain some water and glycogen weight if they carb up after very low carb diets, but 15lbs? It's hard to believe anyone carries that much water.

It is very easy for me to put on 20 lbs. if I eat crap for just a few days. After Thanksgiving I was 30 lbs heavier than I am now.

Also, this thread deserves this picture:

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by anaconda

Ok, reading more from these guys shows some really weird stuff and now I get why you said outliers. I always find it funny that certain groups will absolutely kill others (e.g. these guys and paleo) but then engage in the same sort of mob-mentality, groupthink mindset.

Read this on Matt Stone's site - wtf?

Eat as much food as you want, whenever you want. In other words, obey your appetite.
Eat some food for pure enjoyment from time to time. Eating a strict “healthy diet” that you have devised for psychological reasons in the era of information overload, strongly deadens the enjoyment and connection with the pleasure of eating – making it mundane and monotonous. This almost invariably results in incidental calorie restriction and a lowering of the metabolic rate. Base your decisions on what to eat more on what sounds good, not what you think you should eat. If your metabolic rate is reduced, this will probably be very calorie-dense, palatable food with a low water content (pizza, ice cream, french fries, pie, chocolate, sugary drinks, etc.), which is precisely what will allow your metabolism to return to normal or even exceed normal most quickly.
The most metabolically-stimulating substances are salt, sugar, starch, and saturated fat. Combine each one of these in ample abundance at each feeding (consider them the anti-stress “food groups” – I call them the ‘anti-stress S’s), carbohydrates and salt especially, and you will likely note a substantial increase in body heat.

How can anyone recommend this? Eat whatever you want, lots of salt, sugar and fat. Great idea!

While I don't agree with diets that restrict salt, sugar and fat necessarily, I don't understand how eating french fries and pizza is the solution to inflammatory disease.

[Seriously-Dead]

Originally Posted by anaconda

Read this on Matt Stone's site - wtf?

How can anyone recommend this? Eat whatever you want, lots of salt, sugar and fat. Great idea!

While I don't agree with diets that restrict salt, sugar and fat necessarily, I don't understand how eating french fries and pizza is the solution to inflammatory disease.

Like I said, outliers. I definitely do not agree with everything he says, but it's interesting non the less. The fact that some people have had success with his methods means there's something going on.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by Seriously-Dead

Like I said, outliers. I definitely do not agree with everything he says, but it's interesting non the less. The fact that some people have had success with his methods means there's something going on.

Define "success?"

Its not clear what his entire approach is from his site at all except that "bad" foods might not necessarily be bad. That I can agree with. I also agree that being able to listen to your body is a great asset and very important.

But most people are already eating the way he is suggesting, which is leading to obesity and a host of other diseases.

[Seriously-Dead]

Originally Posted by anaconda

Define "success?"

Its not clear what his entire approach is from his site at all except that "bad" foods might not necessarily be bad. That I can agree with. I also agree that being able to listen to your body is a great asset and very important.

But most people are already eating the way he is suggesting, which is leading to obesity and a host of other diseases.

People losing +100lbs, people recovering from diet-induced anorexia, people recovering from medical problems. In terms of body composition, and looking very lean -- yeah, there isn't a ton of success on that front, but all those guys are of the opinion that lean people aren't healthy (to which there is some support, but it's very shaky imo).

People aren't eating exactly the way he suggests btw. He is very big on nutrient dense food, but then he's also big on throwing a bunch of calories on top of nutrient dense food.

Like I said, I don't agree with everything, but I think his approach is more sane and in line with western life than a lot of internet gurus out there.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by Seriously-Dead

People losing +100lbs, people recovering from diet-induced anorexia, people recovering from medical problems. In terms of body composition, and looking very lean -- yeah, there isn't a ton of success on that front, but all those guys are of the opinion that lean people aren't healthy (to which there is some support, but it's very shaky imo).

People aren't eating exactly the way he suggests btw. He is very big on nutrient dense food, but then he's also big on throwing a bunch of calories on top of nutrient dense food.

Like I said, I don't agree with everything, but I think his approach is more sane and in line with western life than a lot of internet gurus out there.

Interesting, thanks. Yeah I don't necessarily equate leanness with health and can appreciate a dose of sanity in regards to what people are actually going to eat and follow. Its too bad that everything always gets sucked to the extremes.