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Old 12-19-2012, 09:09 PM   #11
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What is bellator saying about this? Will the step up and give him his win bonus? I think Dana and the Fertittas would have still paid hin the win bonus if this was the UFC.
I agree that is wrong. I hope that it gets overturned but if it doesn't the best thing to do is take solace in the fact that you won the fight fair and square and make sure Bellator knows this when it comes time for another fight and another contract.
I wish you and Mr. Wright the best. Not being able to provide for your family because of the error/ negligence of others is something that should NOT happen.
I agree that he was trying to fight through the kick until the ref intervened. It appears to me he didn't want to be in there (especially in a striking match with your guy) as you stated.
Can I do anything? Email the AC? Call? He should be enjoying his win bonus and taking care of his family.

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Old 12-19-2012, 10:16 PM   #12
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Bellator does not really have anything to say about it. I doubt there is a single person who contends it was an illegal strike, but what it comes down to is people would give a shit about it more if it was a main card/televised bout. Knowing that this fight "slipped through the cracks" and few saw it there likely is not going to be anything done about it. Raise awareness about it. Call into question the refs call publically and the IGC's complete and total refusal to recognize that the incorrect call took a win away from a fighter. I am not confident anything will be done about it. Its just pathetic. For all of his life Cliff has to be judged on and looked at for potential fights because of a bullshit call. If Uflacker was down I would not contest as fiercely, but we won that damn fight. This after we moved up a weight class to make this fight happen after we found out three weeks that Uflacker decided he could not make 145. We accepted new conditions of 155 anyways and still got screwed with a bad call. Thats not how you reward a guy who will fight anyone at anytime. We came out to fight. Did as the rules asked and fought to the finish. When we finished our fighter, they told us he lost. And now they are saying "Tough shit" Its not right.

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Old 12-19-2012, 10:20 PM   #13
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And furthermore, it is not really Bellator who is at fault. The referee made the incorrect call that resulted in an incorrect decision. The commission is standing behind the wrong call even though it resulted in the wrong fighter being awarded the victory, and also completely ignoring the irrefutable evidence showing that it was a wrong call. Basically, the commission does not want to do the work and the ref does not want to admit the wrong call was made. I hear a lot of excuses but no legitimate answers as to why a guy who won literally had money stolen out of his pocket and a legitimate win made a loss. The more I think about it the more it pisses me off. I have been coaching and training in this sport way to long to have some pencil pushing beaurocrat tell us our hard work and compliance with their rules doesnt mean anything. I dont give a shit who they are or think they are. My fighters fight to win. And I will go to fight to win for them when someone tries to tell them they didnt when they did.

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Old 12-19-2012, 10:21 PM   #14
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TS, is this decision by a proper state run ATHLETIC commission or one of those indian reservation jobs.

if it is the latter, then i see why bellator would not get involved.

EDIT: i did not see your links, after watching the reply your fighter should at least get a NC result. not sure i can go as far as a win, but NC for sure. if you showed them the still where both knees were off the ground and they still did not change the decision, then you and your fighter were royally screwed over. sorry

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:02 PM   #15
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At first I thought it was an illegal kick, so did anyone that saw it happen in real time. After the replay, we were proven wrong, unquestionably so.
I am baffled that there is any hesitation about overturning this fight result.
I don't know what the behind the scenes details are, but with such indisputable evidence, it seems like it would just be a matter of how much you/we the community can pursue it.
As a coach, I'm sure you know a number of fighters, perhaps have a circle of friends amongst different camps.. I know that MMA isn't the most secure place for jobs as fighters, but perhaps you can rally some of them to "strike" against that commission since they clearly don't have the interest of the fighters in mind?
Wishful thinking, perhaps.

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:25 PM   #16
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That's a tough pill to swallow.

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:29 PM   #17
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I hope somebody puts it on YT. MMACORE doesn't work on my IPad.

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:42 PM   #18
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Tough call to make on the fly... But should be a NC.

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Old 12-20-2012, 12:39 AM   #19
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I don't think athletic commissions have much power to change the results. Rumble appealed his 'loss' to Kevin Burns and was denied because basically they didn't have the power to do so.

Looking at their Laws and Regulations:

SECTION 64. Procedures for Changing Bout Results
(a) This SECTION applies to:
(1) professional boxing; and
(2) professional mixed martial arts.
(b) The decision rendered at the end of any bout will not be changed
by the commission unless the:
(1) commission determines that a fraudulent act or corruption took
place during the bout;
(2) compilation of the score cards of the judges discloses clerical
error which shows that the decision was given to the wrong fighter;
or
(3) referee or chief commission representative has rendered an
incorrect decision based on the misinterpretation of a bout result in
SECTION 83 or SECTION 104 of this document.

(c) A petition to change a bout result may only be filed by the:
(1) fighter participating in the bout; or
(2) fighter's manager.
(d) The petition to change a bout result must:
(1) be filed, in writing, with the executive director or his designee no
later than ten (10) business days after the conclusion of the bout in
question;
(2) state the specific reason or reasons the bout result should be
changed; and
(3) include videotape, if any, of the entire bout in question.

But then, I read this: http://www.fightlawyerblog.com/2010/...-decision.html and it doesn't look good. Sadly, I think the ACs are inept, and he'll be screwed like Rumble was.

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Old 12-20-2012, 12:43 AM   #20
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It sucks but not like he was DQ'd, i thought Uflacker won both rounds though it was close
the right choice would of been to turn it into a no contest

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