Nuclearlandmine's journey to detonation V1: I hate douchebags

[KounterPunch]

Olympic tkd also has no punches to the head ( and barely any to the body , to speak of) .
No punches to distract and no punches to set up them kicks.
Also their kicks only involve striking from the ankle down .
Easier to make miss by moving the head .
Kicks with the shin are a lot harder to make miss and a lot more devastating if you fk up.

Notice a trend ?
Tkd : mainly kicking ....hands lower.

Kyokushin : kicking predominant but strong hands to the core............hands a bit higher.

Muay Thai : hands and knees equal ......... Hands high and not just because of just punches but as a last resort defense against a kick.

One do well to imitate and / or prepare for the sport one intends to compete in rather than hypotheticals.
Ever notice how kyokushinkai who compete in mt or kb have their hands up higher than normal ?

Ps - tkd guys also move a lot faster , lighter and more proactively on their feet than Mr Cement Feet here.

Pps - all this here holds doubly true for our lil friend here because he's (un)lucky enough to be in opposite stances to most everybody.
There is no backup defense , in his case , for a right leg thrown at his head.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Sinister

Yes, Kyokushin is traditionally kicks are allowed to the head but not punches. If you'd have been allowed to punch them in the face, things would have been a little different just because they'd have been that much out of their element, and you'd have been a lot more comfortable using a jab to establish range.

Hey, and don't speak so confidently. There's many documented cases of grapplers shooting in on striker's just to get knocked out by a well-timed strike. It's still a game of chance, even if it's one where the odds may be in your favor.

True. But i've spar with them enough to know that there's a way or two where my chances are stacked extremely high. I much prefer to clinch and pull guard (safest option), but bait them in and shoot a takedown off from it isn't that bad either. Still, woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Originally Posted by SAAMAG

That right there sir was your un-doing straight away. If you're going to spar with another fighter, you shouldn't play by rules that cater to their system but rather just a set general rules to keep it standing and no maiming strikes or groin strikes.

What you did there, while it demands respect, wasn't the best way to go if you're looking to test the effectiveness of your boxing. The majority of punching happens at head level, with the damaging body shots typically being thrown when you're in close. YOU in particular don't really use a lot of body shots nor do you hook or uppercut often NOR do you kick or carry a guard high enough to block high kicks. You don't have the clinching skills either to keep them at bay or offset them when they will inevitably throw high kicks in close.

This was suicide to begin with sir. Respectful...but suicide. I'll go ahead and anaylze the footage further and give some more detailed response later.

To be honest, i was getting a much rawer deal than i thought. If this were regular kumite, i'd handle myself much better since it is more relaxed and i know more than a few guys in class have problems with my boxing-style footworks and attacks methods. It would be a better showcase of what i meant. Instead i got THAT. Which is almost as bad as someone drag you to a cliff with a gun on your head and told you to jump.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

50% power, sounds about right. SAAMG is right though, that first punch-kick combination was too much. He took advantage of the slow starting pace and just threw the head kick up quickly to clip you. In due time Nuke, in due time >, though I think you should spar them again with head punches, even at black belt, most can't adapt on the fly and all those years of ignoring head punches gets them owned hard. Lots of shelled high guards for you to take advantage of. It's good to see you fight outside of your "comfort" zone and I for one did not want to see you dropped like that. So unnecessary. Could have just tapped your face with the instep with control. Shows better dominance than just dropping you cold.

From what i've seen, with head punches it would level the playing field considerably (i've only spar with the green belt but still, it is the overall weakness of the style). I never expect to get flash knockdown like that. Now one side of my jaw hurts whenever i open it. This is not mention my banged up front leg.

Originally Posted by Paradigm

i gotta say you have some balls going in there and doing that. one thing of note to me is how you check your kicks. SAAMAG addressed the checking posture in the vid already but another thing is that you need to check outwards more. on some of the checks, you were checking the kick straight ahead. the further out you angle your check, the more likely it is that youll put the upper 1/3rd of your shin (checking surface) against the lower 1/3rd or instep. the more you do that, the more you will hurt your opponent when he kicks.

or alternatively, step the lead leg back so he misses and fire a kick back.

these methods are tried and true...ive used them effectively to teach the King's guards for the last 15 years.

you just said "hands down" (in the video).

I do that all the time when regular kumite with these guys. Fuck, and then i got myself into a public execution. Thanks for the advices, man.

Originally Posted by KounterPunch

Meh , it want that much of a strut.
A sense of satisfaction on a technique well performed ? Most likely.

Think about it this way , some fuzzy haired lil guy comes , says he wants to spar you and he's gonna use "old school boxing" , guy sets up a camera so you know where this is going ( the internets ) , you got all your gym mates sitting around intently with YOU being the main focus.......so I hope you can see how this was gonna turn out more than just a lil farting around the mats and everyone singing Kumbaya in the end.


Kyokushin guys train n spar real hard btw
I'm surprised they were going so easy to begin with.

You don't go sparring random ppl , putting up cameras and then calling everybody "douchebags" and "fucks" just because they don't feel like making you look like Jet Li to your homies.
Like they say " don't cut onions if u can't handle a few tears"

You didn't read the background story, didn't you?

Originally Posted by SAAMAG

Very nice video. I will take note of it.

[Bennosuke]

Can I offer a piece of advice to you about leg kicks and your stance that was very well depicted by that KK video? I haven't read everything since i have my shelf in surgery this week and have been in the OR nonstop, but I hope this is new advice.

I came from a KK background and one thing you will notice is how squared off these guys fight. It protects the back of the knee or leg so that the leg doesn't fold out from under you when you take a hard outside kick. It also makes checking easier since both legs are naturally turned out. This isn't to say that your stance is bad, but you should realize that it means staying just outside of punching range, you are vulnerable to kicks and a good kicking fighter (MT, KK or whatever) will love to take advantage of that.

One thing you are very good at is getting your lead leg on the inside of your opponent's which is great for boxing. However, let's think about how this applies to kicking and taking leg kicks. If you are southpaw against orthodox, and your lead leg holds the center, you cannot kick his lead leg, but he can kick yours (your leg is inside of his). If you like to play the countering game, this means that this strategy of footwork is less useful then when you are straight boxing or kickboxing a guy who doesn't use his legs well. What you want to get really good at is the lead teep/sidekick. If everytime he tries to throw a lead low kick you counter with a straight, you should win even if you are slower, since you are essentially removing his target. You will often be able to unbalance him sine he will be on one leg. When your really good, you can turn this into high front kicks or brazilian kicks which can be KOs since the guy will be leaning forward and often will lower his guard.

In terms of dealing with head kicks your hand positioning will make it harder to block kicks. The more you practice with guys who can kick high the better you will be at picking up on it coming. This may be a good technique to move back against if you can move your feet in time. Otherwise, get your hands up higher on the outside. I know you don't want to do that, but you do what you have to. Otherwise, move straight in and suffocate him if you are closer rather than far away.

Overall you have to realize that you are less experienced with kicking and your stance has certain vulnerabilities. It's up to you to decide how you will adapt your game or training to handle this. Also, don't be too hard on yourself. KK guys are freaking great at throwing hard and fast high kicks from inside.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Can I offer a piece of advice to you about leg kicks and your stance that was very well depicted by that KK video? I haven't read everything since i have my shelf in surgery this week and have been in the OR nonstop, but I hope this is new advice.

I came from a KK background and one thing you will notice is how squared off these guys fight. It protects the back of the knee or leg so that the leg doesn't fold out from under you when you take a hard outside kick. It also makes checking easier since both legs are naturally turned out. This isn't to say that your stance is bad, but you should realize that it means staying just outside of punching range, you are vulnerable to kicks and a good kicking fighter (MT, KK or whatever) will love to take advantage of that.

One thing you are very good at is getting your lead leg on the inside of your opponent's which is great for boxing. However, let's think about how this applies to kicking and taking leg kicks. If you are southpaw against orthodox, and your lead leg holds the center, you cannot kick his lead leg, but he can kick yours (your leg is inside of his). If you like to play the countering game, this means that this strategy of footwork is less useful then when you are straight boxing or kickboxing a guy who doesn't use his legs well. What you want to get really good at is the lead teep/sidekick. If everytime he tries to throw a lead low kick you counter with a straight, you should win even if you are slower, since you are essentially removing his target. You will often be able to unbalance him sine he will be on one leg. When your really good, you can turn this into high front kicks or brazilian kicks which can be KOs since the guy will be leaning forward and often will lower his guard.

In terms of dealing with head kicks your hand positioning will make it harder to block kicks. The more you practice with guys who can kick high the better you will be at picking up on it coming. This may be a good technique to move back against if you can move your feet in time. Otherwise, get your hands up higher on the outside. I know you don't want to do that, but you do what you have to. Otherwise, move straight in and suffocate him if you are closer rather than far away.

Overall you have to realize that you are less experienced with kicking and your stance has certain vulnerabilities. It's up to you to decide how you will adapt your game or training to handle this. Also, don't be too hard on yourself. KK guys are freaking great at throwing hard and fast high kicks from inside.

Ay, thanks for the comments. Now i wished i relocate to Sydney already so i can get some decent instruction going on about this

[SummerStriker]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Can I offer a piece of advice to you about leg kicks and your stance that was very well depicted by that KK video? I haven't read everything since i have my shelf in surgery this week and have been in the OR nonstop, but I hope this is new advice.

I came from a KK background and one thing you will notice is how squared off these guys fight. It protects the back of the knee or leg so that the leg doesn't fold out from under you when you take a hard outside kick. It also makes checking easier since both legs are naturally turned out. This isn't to say that your stance is bad, but you should realize that it means staying just outside of punching range, you are vulnerable to kicks and a good kicking fighter (MT, KK or whatever) will love to take advantage of that.

One thing you are very good at is getting your lead leg on the inside of your opponent's which is great for boxing. However, let's think about how this applies to kicking and taking leg kicks. If you are southpaw against orthodox, and your lead leg holds the center, you cannot kick his lead leg, but he can kick yours (your leg is inside of his). If you like to play the countering game, this means that this strategy of footwork is less useful then when you are straight boxing or kickboxing a guy who doesn't use his legs well. What you want to get really good at is the lead teep/sidekick. If everytime he tries to throw a lead low kick you counter with a straight, you should win even if you are slower, since you are essentially removing his target. You will often be able to unbalance him sine he will be on one leg. When your really good, you can turn this into high front kicks or brazilian kicks which can be KOs since the guy will be leaning forward and often will lower his guard.

In terms of dealing with head kicks your hand positioning will make it harder to block kicks. The more you practice with guys who can kick high the better you will be at picking up on it coming. This may be a good technique to move back against if you can move your feet in time. Otherwise, get your hands up higher on the outside. I know you don't want to do that, but you do what you have to. Otherwise, move straight in and suffocate him if you are closer rather than far away.

Overall you have to realize that you are less experienced with kicking and your stance has certain vulnerabilities. It's up to you to decide how you will adapt your game or training to handle this. Also, don't be too hard on yourself. KK guys are freaking great at throwing hard and fast high kicks from inside.

I think I'm going to start an Office file for all the really good posts.

[Bennosuke]

Thank you.

I also really like Saamag's vid. One thing you should notice about the analysis of the last fight- the basic idea was once you step outside of a kick and the guys is caught off guard, jump in with a counter. Since you like to fight on the outside, you will want to get good at nuki waza (jumping just outside of a kick, then lunging in with a strike of your own).

Something I bet Karatestylist loves.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Thank you.

I also really like Saamag's vid. One thing you should notice about the analysis of the last fight- the basic idea was once you step outside of a kick and the guys is caught off guard, jump in with a counter. Since you like to fight on the outside, you will want to get good at nuki waza (jumping just outside of a kick, then lunging in with a strike of your own).

Something I bet Karatestylist loves.

I'm not experienced enough to pull that, but i guess i will try in later sessions then (provide i don't get KTFO )

[Bennosuke]

Ya, the more you practice with kickers, the better you will get at recognizing a kick coming or being set up, just like it is with boxing and punches. Once you get comfortable recognizing and protecting yourself, you will want to start countering them. All in due time and plenty of time to be had.

This all said, I'm sure you could give me plenty of advice on my boxing, which isn't so crisp (once again karate background).

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Ya, the more you practice with kickers, the better you will get at recognizing a kick coming or being set up, just like it is with boxing and punches. Once you get comfortable recognizing and protecting yourself, you will want to start countering them. All in due time and plenty of time to be had.

This all said, I'm sure you could give me plenty of advice on my boxing, which isn't so crisp (once again karate background).

I'm not as well-versed at boxing as Sinister, but i could give my 2c if you want to
inb4 "you are just 6 months fucker you can't give advices lololol".

[yodave]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Can I offer a piece of advice to you about leg kicks and your stance that was very well depicted by that KK video? I haven't read everything since i have my shelf in surgery this week and have been in the OR nonstop, but I hope this is new advice.

I came from a KK background and one thing you will notice is how squared off these guys fight. It protects the back of the knee or leg so that the leg doesn't fold out from under you when you take a hard outside kick. It also makes checking easier since both legs are naturally turned out. This isn't to say that your stance is bad, but you should realize that it means staying just outside of punching range, you are vulnerable to kicks and a good kicking fighter (MT, KK or whatever) will love to take advantage of that.

One thing you are very good at is getting your lead leg on the inside of your opponent's which is great for boxing. However, let's think about how this applies to kicking and taking leg kicks. If you are southpaw against orthodox, and your lead leg holds the center, you cannot kick his lead leg, but he can kick yours (your leg is inside of his). If you like to play the countering game, this means that this strategy of footwork is less useful then when you are straight boxing or kickboxing a guy who doesn't use his legs well. What you want to get really good at is the lead teep/sidekick. If everytime he tries to throw a lead low kick you counter with a straight, you should win even if you are slower, since you are essentially removing his target. You will often be able to unbalance him sine he will be on one leg. When your really good, you can turn this into high front kicks or brazilian kicks which can be KOs since the guy will be leaning forward and often will lower his guard.

In terms of dealing with head kicks your hand positioning will make it harder to block kicks. The more you practice with guys who can kick high the better you will be at picking up on it coming. This may be a good technique to move back against if you can move your feet in time. Otherwise, get your hands up higher on the outside. I know you don't want to do that, but you do what you have to. Otherwise, move straight in and suffocate him if you are closer rather than far away.

Overall you have to realize that you are less experienced with kicking and your stance has certain vulnerabilities. It's up to you to decide how you will adapt your game or training to handle this. Also, don't be too hard on yourself. KK guys are freaking great at throwing hard and fast high kicks from inside.

On the first bolded part most boxing coaches will tell you they want your lead foot on the outside of your opponents lead foot or if opposite stance, the outside of the others guys center.

the seconded bolded part is also just as true in boxing, just in a different sense, your offense is set much better, for example the jab, and your counter game is much better because your already outside of his centerline. also you can bring your outside foot further on the outside while if inside your foot is blocked by his lead foot