Manny got knocked out because he tripped

[WhosJoeMama]

Originally Posted by mozfonky

most of us agree that it makes no difference, he was kayoed, it is not a minimization on most of our parts. Hell, even if a fighter slips on water and gets kayoed, it's his fault, the ring is not the place to be distracted.

True statement. Lets not make excuses, boxers get knocked out.

[Soul Slasher**]

Originally Posted by aries

The slip and the punch are the same thing in this situation. When you step out to the side with your lead foot and throw a rear hand you naturally slip, which is the perfect counter punch, attack and defence simultaneously executed plus augmenting the power by combining your opponents momentum with that of your punch and by way of your opponent being completely open and defenceless.

Marquez threw the overhand after he slipped that punch. Saying both are one and the same is nonsensical, considering that the overhand is a perfect punch for southpaws because it can be more easily countered by orthodox fighters.

[GoldenSugar]

Originally Posted by mozfonky

you got me there but even Pacquiao and most fighters would turn their head or brace themselves if they saw a punch like that coming, i just don't think he even saw it. What could he have done in the time between the trip and the punch? changed the angle of his head, left right or even down so the punch would land on his forehead. Ali was a master at moving his head in those situations, guys would swing uppercuts ali would turn he head all the way left and the punch would fly by, Jake lamotta described how he took power out of all the clean shots people thought he took saying he moved his head back at the point of impact like a catcher who moves his glove back when they catch a fastball. No, manny doesn't have that level of sophistication at all but I maintain, he plain didn't see it coming.

had nothing to do with being able to avoid the punch while being tripped, it had to do with him coming in with his hands low and getting clocked.

He couldn't have done anything for it. That punch was landing, trip, stumble, no stumble, cross-legged, etc. he was doomed far beyond any "tripping"

[Sunfish]

It didn't help that he did.

[GoldenSugar]

it would help if he kept his hands up.

[Sunfish]

I agree.

[mozfonky]

you guys seem to think i'm excusing manny for getting kayoed, i'm not, don't mix me in with all those people. He got hit fair and square, i'm only saying pros have ways of preventing that from happening every time the get a punch thrown at them. Not having his gloves up didn't do him in either, the bottom line is people get kayoed in boxing, that's the objective. I happen to think Juan caught him with the first knockdown because pac had his gloves up and couldn't see it coming. Same thing happened to jones when tarver kayoed him, roy had his right glove over his face, couldn't see the left that went around his glove and knocked him senseless. Roy said this later along with "tarver closed his eyes and hit me" as if that minimized it somehow. these things happen in boxing. outside of having an inhuman chin like a few of our greats have.

[Sunfish]

GoldenSugar has an agenda, we just don't know what it is yet.

[aries]

Originally Posted by Soul Slasher

Marquez threw the overhand after he slipped that punch. Saying both are one and the same is nonsensical, considering that the overhand is a perfect punch for southpaws because it can be more easily countered by orthodox fighters.

No the slip is the first part of that punch movement. Throw an overhand right while stepping to your left. Notice anything about where you head goes? That's right it goes off line to the left and is exactly the same position as a pure slip. The feet move first in any punch whether it's weight transference or an actual step.

You accuse me of nonsense but you just said that the OH is a great punch for southpaws because it can be easily countered by orthodox fighters.... that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

[Soul Slasher**]

Originally Posted by aries

No the slip is the first part of that punch movement. Throw an overhand right while stepping to your left. Notice anything about where you head goes? That's right it goes off line to the left and is exactly the same position as a pure slip. The feet move first in any punch whether it's weight transference or an actual step.

You accuse me of nonsense but you just said that the OH is a great punch for southpaws because it can be easily countered by orthodox fighters.... that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

Do you box? Do you train Boxing? If not than kindly STFU.

He slipped the right jab by Pac Man. You are trying to make it look very sophisticated with your so called intellectual bullshit analysis. Marquez slipped the jab and countered with a overhand which Pacquao being a southpaw was placed at for the shot to connect.

Him being a Southpaw puts him more harms way for the overhand because his left shoulder nor his left arm is able to protect him while he counters with a right cross like a orthodox fight would.

He jab with his right which was slipped and left himself open for the looping overhand.