Strategies for Neutralizing the Jab

[SAAMAG]

Originally Posted by Discipulus

And SAAMAG, this might be a question that Sinister could answer better than you (not that you don't know what you're talking about, I just don't know if you teach/throw rising hooks), but wouldn't a proper rising check-hook be a good counter off the caught jab as well, if the range was right?

Yes, I do use rising hooks. I just don't make a big deal out of it. All you're doing is hooking in connection with your properly lowered stance. But I use all sorts of angles with my punches, up, down, diagonal, horizontal, straight, wide, looping. Just depends on where I'm at when I want to punch and what sort of game plan I'm trying to stick to.

But to answer you question, absolutely it would be. What's the standard counter for a left hook? Why it's a left hook! So if you're pivoting and jabbing, mix in a step out pivoting hook. It'll keep him on his toes. Better yet, pop him with a jab and immediately after toss out a whipping hook.

[KarateStylist]

Parry your left against left jab.... assuming orthodox....

If he moves in after the jab, lauching long left hook.... stand & straight right to the face {karate's linearity most efficient here}--functionally speaking, boxing same structure....

By my set up, this would be a reverse punch.... which works well 'cause he is moving in... KISS @ work....

KarateStylist

[2om30]

Parry, than huen sao counter right smack!

[KarateStylist]

Originally Posted by 2om30

parry, than huen sao counter right smack!

^^^ Stop it....
OKAY FOR BOXER'S HERE'S SOMETHING "INTELLIGENT."

Originally Posted by fedordestroyall

Pac come forward and meet Marquez falcon counter punch right on the jaw.
Pac was out cold.

/ * mACHIDA / BADER KO VID-CHOP * /

Here's what Marquez did to Manny.

/ * pACMAN ERA OVER=VID CHOP * /
Rushing forward meeting counter punch equal a bad move.

Should I move this to the boxing section or is it okay here?

^^^ Classic what I hate about boxing.... useless feint... then throw telegraph strike without regard to target {already sliding out of the way}....

^^^ excellent counter by opponent.... pac put his head unguarded straight in front of him.

karatestylist

[1Strike]

Learn to slip the jab to both the inside and outside and counter .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

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Or the other great counter to the jab: Step inside & Overhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

[Bennosuke]

Body jab. If you have good timing, you will have more reach than your opponent and can pull your head off midline (slip). It's a good technique for out-jabbing a jab heavy fighter. You have to watch for uppercuts and roundkicks obviously, so use it sparingly.

[aries]

^ body jab is one of my favourites, counter and evasion in one movement.

Nothing wrong with rear hand catching except if you use it too much which is what sounded like occurred. You just need to mix up your reaction to his jab so it doesn't become predictable.

Shoulder roll. One handed sparring is a good time to practice it. Allows you to keep that rear hand covering your face plus it will move your head back out of range.

Any slip inside or outside then counter jab or hook if you get close. The corkscrew up jab is a nice counter that takes you offline and if you are sparring lead hand only a good time to practice without fear of the rear hand counter.

Change elevation, already covered body jab, but also up jab.

Parry with your lead hand and then counter jab over the top. Do it in one motion so your hand skims off his punch and carries on to the target. Not the safest technique but since it's just lead hand only sparring it's lower risk.

Simply circle or pivot left away from the jab, and you'll be circling away from any hook too plus it's easy to fire multiple jabs as you circle to your front foot side.

Start feinting him to draw that jab and have your reaction prepared in your head.

And the counter punch for the left hook is the left hook. Slip inside as you fake the rear hand catch. You might well catch him as he left hooks but you'll be inside and beat him to the punch.

[1Strike]

Originally Posted by Bennosuke

Body jab. If you have good timing, you will have more reach than your opponent and can pull your head off midline (slip). It's a good technique for out-jabbing a jab heavy fighter. You have to watch for uppercuts and roundkicks obviously, so use it sparingly.

Body jab is another favorite of mine for Boxing.

For Muay Thai I wouldn't recommend the body jab at all.
Results like this are why:

Not everyone has Aldo like reflexes but I have seen numerous occasions where body jabs end in head kicks or knees to the face for the person throwing them.Basically the body jab is a high risk, low reward technique for MMA or Muay Thai.

Another similar counter that I like is the right hand to the body (ribs)when they jab.

[Discipulus]

Originally Posted by aries

^ body jab is one of my favourites, counter and evasion in one movement.

Nothing wrong with rear hand catching except if you use it too much which is what sounded like occurred. You just need to mix up your reaction to his jab so it doesn't become predictable.

Shoulder roll. One handed sparring is a good time to practice it. Allows you to keep that rear hand covering your face plus it will move your head back out of range.

Any slip inside or outside then counter jab or hook if you get close. The corkscrew up jab is a nice counter that takes you offline and if you are sparring lead hand only a good time to practice without fear of the rear hand counter.

Change elevation, already covered body jab, but also up jab.

Parry with your lead hand and then counter jab over the top. Do it in one motion so your hand skims off his punch and carries on to the target. Not the safest technique but since it's just lead hand only sparring it's lower risk.

Simply circle or pivot left away from the jab, and you'll be circling away from any hook too plus it's easy to fire multiple jabs as you circle to your front foot side.

Start feinting him to draw that jab and have your reaction prepared in your head.

And the counter punch for the left hook is the left hook. Slip inside as you fake the rear hand catch. You might well catch him as he left hooks but you'll be inside and beat him to the punch.

Good stuff. Up-jabbing from the lowered elevation is something I need to incorporate. I already like slipping to a body jab a lot, and this would be a helpful addition.

Originally Posted by 1Strike

Body jab is another favorite of mine for Boxing.

For Muay Thai I wouldn't recommend the body jab at all.
Results like this are why:

Not everyone has Aldo like reflexes but I have seen numerous occasions where body jabs end in head kicks or knees to the face for the person throwing them.Basically the body jab is a high risk, low reward technique for MMA or Muay Thai.

Another similar counter that I like is the right hand to the body (ribs)when they jab.

That was just a shitty body jab. Less a caution against body jabs and more a caution against leading with your chin and leaning forward past your own feet.

[Bennosuke]

As I said, it should be used sparingly and as a counter to the jab. Very few guys are good enough to counter that fast if your technique is sharp.

That gif shows a guy using it as a leading punch (it doesn't look like he's going off a a feinted jab from Aldo), and is doing it from really far out with poor technique.

All that said, I do agree it is very susceptible to some power shots once your opponent picks up on it, so use it intermittently.