Manny got knocked out because he tripped

[aries]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

When you start to lose balance your natural instinct is to regain it by all means necessary. Maybe he goes full force into a right. I don't know how you can watch that and think that him going on his right tippy toe didn't affect what we saw happen. Any evasive action he could have taken evaporated.

EVASIVE action??! We are talking milliseconds between his foot landing and the punch landing. There is no evasive action and there never would be. Not having his foot under him for the milliseconds during impact would have made virtually no difference to the power of that shot.

[GoldenSugar]

Originally Posted by aries

EVASIVE action??! We are talking milliseconds between his foot landing and the punch landing. There is no evasive action and there never would be. Not having his foot under him for the milliseconds during impact would have made virtually no difference to the power of that shot.

Seriously. Perneil Whitaker himself couldn't have avoided that punch.

[Sunfish]

All my posts have said are that it didn't help him. Let's flip this round, do you think that clashing his lead foot on Marquezs left made him less of a sitting duck?

[mozfonky]

Originally Posted by GoldenSugar

Seriously. Perneil Whitaker himself couldn't have avoided that punch.

you'd be surprised, good fighters have a million tricks, if they can't avoid the shot altogether they can take the power out of it, they can move their heads to different angles, they can move their neck to absorb some of it, they can use their gloves, arms and shoulders. Like I said, a million tricks, Manny didn't see the punch, I think he said as much. Cus D'amato had a saying which a lot of people believe, "the punch that knocks you out is the one you don't see coming" and that if you see it coming you can prepare yourself for it but when you don't it shocks everything.

[Sunfish]

Originally Posted by mozfonky

you'd be surprised, good fighters have a million tricks, if they can't avoid the shot altogether they can take the power out of it, they can move their heads to different angles, they can move their neck to absorb some of it, they can use their gloves, arms and shoulders. Like I said, a million tricks, Manny didn't see the punch, I think he said as much. Cus D'amato had a saying which a lot of people believe, "the punch that knocks you out is the one you don't see coming" and that if you see it coming you can prepare yourself for it but when you don't it shocks everything.

Ayrton Senna the f1 driver turned into what he thought was a skid in the gp he died in according to the telemetry under a tenth of a second after it happened. Elite sportsmen have amazing reflexes.

Again I haven't said it affects the pacquiao knockout, all I'm saying is what went down didn't help him, he had no chance once he didn't have his feet.

[GoldenSugar]

Originally Posted by mozfonky

you'd be surprised, good fighters have a million tricks, if they can't avoid the shot altogether they can take the power out of it, they can move their heads to different angles, they can move their neck to absorb some of it, they can use their gloves, arms and shoulders. Like I said, a million tricks, Manny didn't see the punch, I think he said as much. Cus D'amato had a saying which a lot of people believe, "the punch that knocks you out is the one you don't see coming" and that if you see it coming you can prepare yourself for it but when you don't it shocks everything.

Pacquiao isn't one of those "tricky" fighters when it comes to evasive tactics though.

See round 3 for example.

[mozfonky]

Originally Posted by GoldenSugar

Pacquiao isn't one of those "tricky" fighters when it comes to evasive tactics though.

See round 3 for example.

you got me there but even Pacquiao and most fighters would turn their head or brace themselves if they saw a punch like that coming, i just don't think he even saw it. What could he have done in the time between the trip and the punch? changed the angle of his head, left right or even down so the punch would land on his forehead. Ali was a master at moving his head in those situations, guys would swing uppercuts ali would turn he head all the way left and the punch would fly by, Jake lamotta described how he took power out of all the clean shots people thought he took saying he moved his head back at the point of impact like a catcher who moves his glove back when they catch a fastball. No, manny doesn't have that level of sophistication at all but I maintain, he plain didn't see it coming.

[WhosJoeMama]

Manny got knocked out because he got reckless and Marquez was training to KTFO.

[Popsaregood230]

Originally Posted by WhosJoeMama

Manny got knocked out because he got reckless and Marquez was training to KTFO.

This, Manny didnt get knocked out because he stepped on on marquez foot. He was knocked out because he lunged himself forward with a feinting jab. Manny himself caused the foot altercation, and at that point, not even the greatest winds from the gods would have moved manny out of the way of that punch.

[mozfonky]

most of us agree that it makes no difference, he was kayoed, it is not a minimization on most of our parts. Hell, even if a fighter slips on water and gets kayoed, it's his fault, the ring is not the place to be distracted.