MMA rankings.....Davis over Gus??? What??? Thats just silly....

[Bulsebub]

Anyone who ranks davis over alex does not know how to rank.
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[Scamrock]

Originally Posted by mrsinister

Lol! The guy who beat that other guy is ranked higher than him. How stupid!

Yeah, in April 2010. Should Rick Story still be ranked higher than Johny Hendricks? He beat him in December 2010. Evidently, it's still relevant.

Originally Posted by born2killl

okay columbo, phil davis submitted gustaffson & his only career loss is to rashad evans (ranked #2)

But his top win was against a guy in the top 15. Losing to top guys doesn't make you a top guy. Meanwhile, Gustafsson just beat a guy in the top 5.

Originally Posted by ghpeel

Not to mention that Davis would prob be the favorite if they were to rematch right now. This is just more Shogun nuthuggery, slightly disguised. "OMG he barely decisioned Shogun, he must be teh awesums!"

Or, it's just common sense. Davis has never beat anyone ranked as high as Shogun, but Gustafsson has. Also, who would be the favorite doesn't matter in rankings. It's not about what will, might, or could happen. It's not about potential. It's about actual performance and what has already happened.

Originally Posted by Jet40

Davis has one career loss, against Rashad.
Gus has one career loss against Davis.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is, you aren't telling the whole story. Phil's lone loss is much more recent than Gustafsson's. Also, Gustafsson just beat a guy ranked higher than Phil or anyone he has beat.

Originally Posted by Jet40

No, his best win is against Gus, the guy that beat Shogun on Saturday.

That doesn't matter to rankings. A guy who is ranked #25 could be the better fighter than a guy ranked in the top 10. But beating the top 10 guy will do more for your ranking. For example, when Davis beat Gustafsson, Fight Matrix had Gustafsson ranked #31. When Davis beat Nogueira, Fight Matrix had Nogueira at #15.

Beating Gustafsson then isn't the same as beating him now.

Originally Posted by youngsteinel

Phil still finished him. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

Ryo Chonan finished Anderson Silva. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

Joaquim Ferreira finished Junior dos Santos. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

Hermes Franca finished Nate Diaz. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

[ghpeel]

Davis' only loss is to Rashad, who probably beats Gus with ease. We still have no proof that Gus can beat a high level wrestler, he's been given matchups that favor standup brawls lately. Davis beat Gus in fairly recent times, although we all know Gus has improved a lot, but probably not in the area that would lead to a victory over Davis right now. Davis beats Silva and probably Shogun too (who has been avoiding wrestlers for a while now and is overrated in the rankings), so Davis is ranked over Gus. Not that hard to picture, really.

And I REALLY like how folks are saying that Gus' loss to Phil was years ago, so it doesn't count, but that Shogun is some kind of monster NOW because of his Pride run. The Shogun that shows up every other fight (Coleman, Griffin I, Vera, etc) is barely top 20.

[Oleg Salenko]

Originally Posted by ghpeel

Davis' only loss is to Rashad, who probably beats Gus with ease. We still have no proof that Gus can beat a high level wrestler, he's been given matchups that favor standup brawls lately. Davis beat Gus in fairly recent times, although we all know Gus has improved a lot, but probably not in the area that would lead to a victory over Davis right now. Davis beats Silva and probably Shogun too (who has been avoiding wrestlers for a while now and is overrated in the rankings), so Davis is ranked over Gus. Not that hard to picture, really.

And I REALLY like how folks are saying that Gus' loss to Phil was years ago, so it doesn't count, but that Shogun is some kind of monster NOW because of his Pride run. The Shogun that shows up every other fight (Coleman, Griffin I, Vera, etc) is barely top 20.

Hamill is a high level wrestler.