How much of an advantage does MMA training really give you in a street fight?

[SummerStriker]

Originally Posted by chaps

A huge advantage.

Yes but but but but but the untrained person might fight dirty!!

So what, the trained MMA guy cant fight dirty?

Nope, not if it isn't in their character.

And people don't usually rise to the occasion - they fall to the level of their training. I think MMA people get a very polite idea about what fighting dirty entails and by becoming honorable fighters that adhere to rules, become less and less capable of fighting dirty.

[aries]

Originally Posted by CJrider

after my first mma class I found out the answer was gigantic, the guys on the fight team can outstrike newbies easily, clinch throw and sub newbies easily, if its them vs street brawler it's easy win for them, rush clinch trip choke out all in a minute or so

Yeah this is the reality. In the few altercations I've had my boxing has been my most useful tool and the difference between someone who is just about to fight amateur boxing alone and some untrained brawler is massive.

[aries]

Originally Posted by Edison Carasio

That's the way it should work. I have started bringing a friend's younger brother to train with me at the gym. Just after one class of drilling a proper stance and the jab, I asked him "now who would win a fight: the you that walked in the door or the you that is walking out". Obviously he answered "the me that is walking out. This is a big eye opener".

That is a such a massive revelation that nearly all of us have experienced after our first proper training session. It's know it's what kept me wanting to train for all these years.

[devante]

Originally Posted by barnowl

Assuming no weapons and you have to fight, real fight experience tends to win over training. This the problem with most all low contact training arts and even some full contact arts. No matter how much you train having some come at you ready and willing to take your head off is going to be hard to deal with the first time you experience it.

The real fight experience is were good MMA training can help put the odds in your favor. How ever just because a thug brawler is untrained, does not mean they are unexperienced. Over the years I have found most thugs that are willing to through down have also had enough experience to know what they are doing.

Your right ....people often overestimate their ability to defend themselves or even fight; alot of peoples perception of what they can do and what they actually do is very different. An guys who fight alot are in fact experience and sometimes that overcomes tech..strategy. ESP when the person with the skills lacks experience in that arena.

Having skills provides you with adv..but it doesn't make u invincible and some guys don't seem to get that .... I had a ex roommate who was a third string college running back. Got in a fight with a bjj purple belt and stomped him out and this was in the late 90's before bjj exploded in popularity or mma. The same guy who had choked out boxers...kickboxers and wrestlers got beat up by a big strong athletic untrained guy.

[Onq]

Most of the street fights I have seen were started by a group of individuals who pick their victim carefully and then intentionaly send one guy to bother the poor bastard while they surround him, most of the times carrying bottles, weapons and etc...
Guess what helps in those situations?

[Charlitos1988]

Originally Posted by SAAMAG

There's no honor in real fighting. He could easily stomp your face over and again while you're unconscious because you chose to use UFC rules in a street fight. Never fight on equal ground if you can help it.

ok maybe the foe doesnt have honor but I have and I wont use those tactics never!

its like thinking "because all men cheat on exams on university, I will also do it" ; "because all people drink beer with buddies I will also do it".

every individual has his own beliefs so even if Im the only person on the planet who have honor on fighting I prefer to do so instead of using dirty tactics.
I prefer to lose or even die iinstead of using weapon/friends against one unarmed man even if he is a sumo or a bodybuilder.

maybe on extreme situation I will use eye or groin strikes but at the end it keeps being unarmed combat.

thats honor!

[Charlitos1988]

Originally Posted by half light

i got hit in my left eye,so i was fighting only using one eye,it's really hard,try to spare with one eye so u will see how hard it is,plus he was a big guy,bigger than me so if i did not stop him using that rock he would break my ribs or a put me to sleep ,i have no grappling only some boxing that's it , at that time if i get a knife i think i would end up killing him,adrenaline makes you blind and pressure ,the athor rock i get was almost like a small knife if he did not stop and get close to me i think i would stab him!

its your fault the eye hit and being small is your reality so adapt your fighting style to it.

and about stabbing thats means mental problems man! I saw very angry men and none of them did that. at max they did foot stomps or pull head against wall.

really you should go to psychologist. no joke.

and if I were you, I will never put out that totally coward action off my mind and I will get ashamed of telling to anyone else.

[DaGenius]

Ftr I always believe street fight related threads are very useful on sherdog. Hopefully we can keep each other out of bad spots.

Couple of points.. There is no honor on the street but I personally don't use groin shots. If you want to for defense, no problem. I've never had to do it.

I definitely don't think weapons either. If you use a weapon, you have automatically escalated the legal stakes of the situation. Sure you'd rather be "judged than carried" but in the vast vast majority of situations can be handled without weapons.

Size matters always. It's not the be all end all but dont think your arts will make that 20-50 lbs irrelevant.

As always avoid street stuff at all costs. Its all fun and games until you hurt someone bad and catch a felony assault case. This is to say nothing of the downside if you get smashed

[Phaiym]

Originally Posted by Charlitos1988

its your fault the eye hit and being small is your reality so adapt your fighting style to it.

and about stabbing thats means mental problems man! I saw very angry men and none of them did that. at max they did foot stomps or pull head against wall.

really you should go to psychologist. no joke.

and if I were you, I will never put out that totally coward action off my mind and I will get ashamed of telling to anyone else.

you haven't been in many confrontations or street fights huh?

[Phaiym]

Originally Posted by DaGenius

Ftr I always believe street fight related threads are very useful on sherdog. Hopefully we can keep each other out of bad spots.

Couple of points.. There is no honor on the street but I personally don't use groin shots. If you want to for defense, no problem. I've never had to do it.

I definitely don't think weapons either. If you use a weapon, you have automatically escalated the legal stakes of the situation. Sure you'd rather be "judged than carried" but in the vast vast majority of situations can be handled without weapons.

Size matters always. It's not the be all end all but dont think your arts will make that 20-50 lbs irrelevant.

As always avoid street stuff at all costs. Its all fun and games until you hurt someone bad and catch a felony assault case. This is to say nothing of the downside if you get smashed

100%

the whole point of self-defense and using what you're taught is to get away from the situation..not escalate it.

i've known people who got into a regular school fight, ends up hitting the guy in the chest (he had a heart condition), the guy falls and dies....he gets charged with the death..from a simply high school fight

anything can happen...if i'm about to get jumped or in a dangerous situation, my first thought is "how can i get outta this situation asap?" not "i must keep my honor and avoid the groin and eyes"