The Naunces of In-Fighting (boxing) - Page 3

Discipulus · 12-11-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinister

Let's put it this way, it's ironic he's playing Pitbull, because that technique is Cuban by nature. It IS a hook aimed with the forefinger knuckle, and a high lift of the elbow. But it's NOT a power punch, it's just to get a guy to open up, or to touch a guy around a high guard. It's not likely to KO a guy, and it doesn't have better leverage than a hook with the elbow down.

So that's why my "schwing"-style hooks never feel as hard as my rising ones. The mechanics just aren't there for the power, huh?

**Sinister** · 12-11-2012, 07:48 PM

Nope. Once that elbow disconnects from the torso, power goes away.

Oh and FWIW, Alex won his fight on the Pacquiao/Marquez undercard, by first round KO.

Discipulus · 12-11-2012, 08:11 PM

Sweet!

Edit: I watched Mike knocking out Don Curry with his long left hook, and even his swinging punch was thrown with the elbow more or less down, driving power from his hips. Cool to see. Is that the kind of thing you mentioned regarding the fist on the rising hook turning over at range?

**Sinister** · 12-11-2012, 08:20 PM

Right-o.

Pugilistic · 12-12-2012, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinister

Let's put it this way, it's ironic he's playing Pitbull, because that technique is Cuban by nature. It IS a hook aimed with the forefinger knuckle, and a high lift of the elbow. But it's NOT a power punch, it's just to get a guy to open up, or to touch a guy around a high guard. It's not likely to KO a guy, and it doesn't have better leverage than a hook with the elbow down.

I guess it being Cuban explains why Cotto's been doing it after getting Pedro Diaz in his corner. I'm gonna have to try this out against this guy who's really good at maintaining a tight guard.

Payak · 12-12-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinister

Fenech got MAULED on the inside by Azumah Nelson in their return bout, because Azumah kept walking him into traps on the inside.

Pugilistic - I look forward to the footage.

yes but fenech would maul many, and is a good eg to watch, but against nelson what can you say.

its nelson what can you do lol, best to just run from the ring.

just like how he cuts people off and pushes people with the shoulder.

Sinc3r3 · 12-16-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Payak

yes but fenech would maul many, and is a good eg to watch, but against nelson what can you say.

its nelson what can you do lol, best to just run from the ring.

just like how he cuts people off and pushes people with the shoulder.

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KounterPunch · 12-16-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinister

Let's put it this way, it's ironic he's playing Pitbull, because that technique is Cuban by nature. It IS a hook aimed with the forefinger knuckle, and a high lift of the elbow. But it's NOT a power punch, it's just to get a guy to open up, or to touch a guy around a high guard. It's not likely to KO a guy, and it doesn't have better leverage than a hook with the elbow down.

Meh....I got really long arms.
This way let's me really grind that knuckle in .....plus from my high vantage point , I can "see" it better.
It's not as concussive as the one normally done but it's definitely painful.
If u can get it off , I feel it's more safer due to not needing to create space .
Less hip , more arm.
Ymmv .

Btw katsidis probably got it from that Thai influence they have in Australia .
Cubans , ex-Soviets etc do it too.
Caballero does a slight variation of it too though his way seems murder on the elbow.

KounterPunch · 12-16-2012, 07:25 PM

Bye Bye Payak , your mysterious dialect of broken English mixed with that Websters accent shall be remembered by all !

Pugilistic · 12-18-2012, 08:21 AM

ignoring the whole Payak fiasco...

I don't have much to add in the infighting field. My trainer took me to another gym today to spar against active pro fighters. The bad news is that I am not sure if anybody took footage of me. I knew people were filming the sparring sessions before mine but I'm not sure if they filmed me. I will check the gym's site (they post vids of sparring sessions) and post it here if they have.

The reason there wasn't much to add in the infighting discussion is that I rarely engaged in infighting. The two guys I sparred (pros with some fights but not the national champ as I was anticipating) were very keen on keeping their distance and they weren't that tall, so I felt comfortable boxing from the outside with them. I was extremely nervous and I was pretty tired in the last round and got hit as a result, but my improvement in feints and headmovement made a huge difference. The guys were more experienced than me but our skill gap wasn't huge as I thought. I caught them with good shots and made them miss a lot.

The only time I was inside was when my partners initiated the infighting. I defended well with headmovement and that made them back off and discouraged them from going inside. I should add that I was heavier than them although shorter. I'm looking to fight at lightweight while my partners were each a bantamweight and a featherweight respectively. So I can't really say how much my infighting game has improved. My boxing skill, however, has. I got caught with some good shots too but I didn't get mauled like the last time I sparred another guy from a different gym. My trainer was impressed and I was proud of myself. Next time my trainer said he's going to put me in with bigger guys.

Overall, it was an extremely valuable experience. Going to a foreign environment surrounded by people you don't know and sparring guys you never met who are more experienced than you is a great experience. Dealing with the nerves is something I need to get good at. I'll check up on the site again for the footage. Really wish I had it.