Boxing - The "Upward Jab" has improved my Head Movement (Thanks Sinister)

[KounterPunch]

Originally Posted by Discipulus

How is what I said an exception? Just because I only gave you one (extremely notable) example? For what it's worth, making an arbitrary statement about a technique's validity doesn't do much to prove a rule, either.



He didn't give up, he got knocked out. And the way you put it, those two kicks should have been so game-changing that Overeem would have stopped throwing up-jabs altogether, right? Kicks, evidently, make punching from beneath an inexplicable no-no.



He fared poorly, not because he used an up-jab, but because Badr figured out that he had little else. He's changed that about his game after that bout, but at the time Badr seemed to find himself at ease to just avoid the up-jab without leaning or walking into any of the counters that a modern day Overeem would undoubtedly stick in his way.

You still haven't explained how the presence of kicks makes the up-jab any less effective. You just keep repeating that it does. Examples?



Sure. It's because Aerts' shins are jacked. Aerts threw plenty kicks in that fight, so you're explanation is full of holes. Know what else is full of holes? Aerts' kickboxing-centric punch defense, something Alistair Overeem clearly noticed and was willing to exploit. What weapon did he use to effortlessly exploit this porous defense? The up-jab, of course.

Also , AO plays a very different game than most tall guys. He doesn't like to stay out. He likes to come in close n do damage from there. He uses the up jab to close the distance , take the kick counter , smother n back up his usually smaller and / or weaker opponent and put in his work. He's gambling that trading in a kick to land his power shots inside is fair game. Not so crazy if u have his one hit ko power.
That's another thing , power , heavyweights have lots of it. Even a good jab can ko u. But if you're a lighter weight , the trade off isn't so good.
Also he doesn't have to worry about getting dumped because in k1 nobody but him n Buakaw do that. No points for it.

Really good stuff here.

You still haven't explained how throwing an up-jab is an invitation to be kicked. Where are you being kicked? How, in the process of closing with a jab, are you suddenly incredibly susceptible to being kicked, and how does that susceptibility increase with a slight variation in the trajectory of the jab being thrown. Suddenly, due to the simple fact that the punch comes from the chest rather than the shoulder, the opponent's attempts to kick you will destroy you with ease? Please, I ask again, explain the logic behind your insistent repetition of this nonsense rule you seem to have invented out of thin air.

And how does throwing an up-jab get you dumped? Can you please point to one specific example of an upwards punch leading directly to someone getting thrown?



Is the best thing to copy the hands-high double forearm guard that made Badr so susceptible to the punch in the first place? Because I can tell you that had a lot more to do with the up-jab's efficacy than the fact that he was supposedly reluctant to kick.

It's not a commonly used technique because most kickboxers don't have the sharpest hands or understanding of boxing technique. Plain and simple. There are plenty of guys that have proven that it can and does work, though, and you've provided nothing concrete to prove otherwise.



Uh huh.

There r so many errors in that post that there's not much point in me debunking them.
It'll just come of as being too contrary.

If u feel it's a good technique then use it but use it on actual fighters etc rather than just schlubbing around on the mats with weekend warriors.

[Sinister]

Originally Posted by KennisTheMenace

Thanks!

What are your thoughts on this:

I saw a james toney highlight on a another thread and he did an upward jab then a cross on evander holyfield and both punches connected well. I'm wondering your thoughts of the effectiveness of other punches from this position, such as throwing a hook then a cross, or an uppercut than a cross? I have liked the hook from this position because it seems to surprise people and makes them change directions. I've seen it land both when I was moving forward and also backing up when being pressed. My uppercut from this position seems to not really connect, but be more of a distraction for the right hand, not to mention it is fun because it kind of feels like I'm dancing or something. Thoughts?

My thoughts on that are the second portion of my post above.

[KennisTheMenace]

Ohh okay I get it now. It's advisable! Sounds great.