Quick Bagwork Video

[slip slip hook]

Originally Posted by CosItsFun

This guy seems to already have a basic level of the... well of the basics lol down so

Look at the 1-2 thrown at .57

[slip slip hook]

Originally Posted by nakmuay84

for the TS, sparring should be useful for example because he drops the opposite hand while punching... sparring (and good padwork) would remind him no to.

plus, it's fun.

When hitting the heavy bag, person holding the heavy bag is instructed to throw very light punch at punchers face to make sure off hand is protecting

not necessary to give person a beating to learn something that can be easily ingrained in other ways

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by nakmuay84

sparring is not fighting...
you have to work your technique first, but you can't wait till you're a perfect technician before you spar.
Sparring is not just "testing", it's part of the learning process. It's the best "place" to learn the game of distances, for example, that's as important as every other technique.
After you start sparring, it's easy to realize that your shadowboxing/bagwork is improved, not because your punch form is better, but because you are doing it like it should be done... for ex. shadowboxing thinking about how the opponents could move etc...

i started sparring after about 6 months of training... and i immediately improved A LOT, and my shadowboxing is improved.

Of course you usually don't start sparring after 12 hours or training... but i regret to have waited 6 months.


for the TS, sparring should be useful for example because he drops the opposite hand while punching... sparring (and good padwork) would remind him no to.

plus, it's fun.

Nobody said that you need to be a perfect technician before going into sparring. However, a good solid foundation is needed. There's no substitute for that. And i believed i mentioned about partner drills as a bridge between bagworks/mittworks and sparring.

I don't know about you, but with his forms i'd be worry. Chin up in the air, arm punching, lack of proper form, no sense of weight shift or balance, hips not turned fully over for roundhouse, no lateral movement around the bag, lack of cardio...Going into sparring like that is not going to be helpful to his progress. Even i when self-training make sure that i get the form RIGHT through repetition and various drills before i even think about using it when sparring. If he cannot use lateral movement, or getting his chin down, or just a lack of proper form while on the bag, for example, how do you think he can do it like "it should be done" while having punches coming to his face, even if it is light?

Originally Posted by slip slip hook

When hitting the heavy bag, person holding the heavy bag is instructed to throw very light punch at punchers face to make sure off hand is protecting

not necessary to give person a beating to learn something that can be easily ingrained in other ways

Exactly. There's various drills, either with yourself and a bag or with a partner to get you going, not just sparring. For me i do 1-1-2 on my double end bag, let the ball swing back to my face while i'm focus on slipping the bag via hip movement. I have to credit through the use of it that i was able to lessen my flinching whenever i spar later on. It is still there though, so i'm still gonna do that drill over and over again to get it right. It is also on my double end bag that i learn the proper distance for my punching range.

[SaiWa]

Originally Posted by slip slip hook

Look at the 1-2 thrown at .57

you do realize that at .44 he switched to a southpaw stance.

i am assuming this guy is naturally fighting from the orthodox stance since that's what he started out with. that 1-2 is bad but his previous 1-2's before .44 aren't horrible...

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by SaiWa

you do realize that at .44 he switched to a southpaw stance.

i am assuming this guy is naturally fighting from the orthodox stance since that's what he started out with. that 1-2 is bad but his previous 1-2's before .44 aren't horrible...

If you count chin up, arm punching, body leaning forward as "aren't horrible", then i'd hate to see what is your standard of "horrible" is. This is not to mention his mistake of not stepping back to his stance, instead just continue throwing punch as a southpaw. Unless you know what you are doing, stick to one stance.

[SaiWa]

Light sparring would benefit him. We are talking about light sparring with someone more experience who can guide him and show him what he's doing wrong. Not going all out in a spar and get his ass whipped.

Light sparring has tons of benefits. IMO, it improves shadowboxing by leaps and bounds. Shadowboxing is different once you've sparred. You are able to create a vision of your opponent. You can picture him in your mind and then move/react/attack through that vision. You don't really learn to shadowbox properly until you've at least sparred once but again, that's my opinion...

[SaiWa]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

If you count chin up, arm punching, body leaning forward as "aren't horrible", then i'd hate to see what is your standard of "horrible" is. This is not to mention his mistake of not stepping back to his stance, instead just continue throwing punch as a southpaw. Unless you know what you are doing, stick to one stance.

he's not horrible assuming he has no coach and is self learned..

all those things can be fixed. chin up? a few light taps to the face might help him correct that in a light spar. arm punching? he might realize he's doing it when his punches don't do jack on his opponent. body leaning forward?.. fixable.

he can learn a great deal from sparring. you learned a great deal from sparring and based on your early videos you were pretty horrible yourself but continually improved afterwards. what's the worse thing that can happen to him in a supervised light sparring session besides taking a bunch of punches to the face like you?

[SaiWa]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

If you count chin up, arm punching, body leaning forward as "aren't horrible", then i'd hate to see what is your standard of "horrible" is. This is not to mention his mistake of not stepping back to his stance, instead just continue throwing punch as a southpaw. Unless you know what you are doing, stick to one stance.

that is also the wrong way of thinking. Why does he need to stick to one stance? Why can't he learn both? You of all people should be open to people learning things differently since you are doing things out of the norm and taking flak for it (hands up hands up!)...

i am not saying he should learn both but if he wants to... why da hell not?

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by SaiWa

Light sparring would benefit him. We are talking about light sparring with someone more experience who can guide him and show him what he's doing wrong. Not going all out in a spar and get his ass whipped.

Light sparring has tons of benefits. IMO, it improves shadowboxing by leaps and bounds. Shadowboxing is different once you've sparred. You are able to create a vision of your opponent. You can picture him in your mind and then move/react/attack through that vision. You don't really learn to shadowbox properly until you've at least sparred once but again, that's my opinion...

Considering how horrible his form is, even light sparring is not going get things fix. The other guy might be able to identify his problems and tell him, but he need to work and drill them by himself in order to clean it up.

And shadowboxing doesn't have to be with a vision of your opp. I am using shadowboxing extensively not as a way to imagine a real fight, but rather to work on my form and the intricacies of the movement.

On another unrelated note, i wonder why suddenly there are many people advocate light sparring, while in my threads the only types of sparring people advocate is anything but light. I wonder if it is people trying to see me getting ktfo so that they can have a moment of "yeah i told you so lololol".

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by SaiWa

he's not horrible assuming he has no coach and is self learned..

all those things can be fixed. chin up? a few light taps to the face might help him correct that in a light spar. arm punching? he might realize he's doing it when his punches don't do jack on his opponent. body leaning forward?.. fixable.

he can learn a great deal from sparring. you learned a great deal from sparring and based on your early videos you were pretty horrible yourself but continually improved afterwards. what's the worse thing that can happen to him in a supervised light sparring session besides taking a bunch of punches to the face like you?

It is not that easy and just "a few light taps to the face". The only reason i improve because i drill with only myself hours after hours alone at night to make sure that i get the forms and fundamentals down. Remember how my feet was stuck in a bucket whenever i throw my rear hand? It took me more than 2 MONTHS to get it over with, and i'm still not satisfied with it.

And if you noticed, the ratio of my training video vs my sparring video is almost 5 to 1. I don't rush myself into sparring because i know my fundamental isn't there just yet. As i said about how i don't have a physical coach or partner to help, i have to throw myself into the fire to improve myself. And it is not the optimal way to go. The only reason i do it because i have to make do with what i got.

And what's worst than taking a bunch of punches to the face like me? I don't know, panic, stiffness, shelling up, basically throwing everything away because it is the first time he saw punches coming. That's not even mention the risk of facing a douchebag like me.

Originally Posted by SaiWa

that is also the wrong way of thinking. Why does he need to stick to one stance? Why can't he learn both? You of all people should be open to people learning things differently since you are doing things out of the norm and taking flak for it (hands up hands up!)...

i am not saying he should learn both but if he wants to... why da hell not?

I don't know about you, but telling a beginner to try doing 2 stances at the beginning is practically suicide. If you aren't good at one stance, trying another stance is just going to mess up your game big time. There is a reason why switch hitting is rare and only seen on proficent strikers like Anderson Silva or Ray Sefo. They get proficent on one stance then they try another. Not trying out both at the same time. Try to find a trainer that advocate beginner to switch hitting, i will be here waiting for you.

And for the last time, what i am doing is NOT out of the norm. Stop saying that.