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[Cerbera]

Originally Posted by Sgr Rob

Oh, gotcha. So WBO and WBA and IBC, etc, are all commissions? I don't get it, why have so many commissions then? With one there is a definite world champion, instead of four or five?

With MMA, there are already huge big-name fighters competing under an org's banner. Already Anderson Silva and Georges St-Pierre are talked about as two of the GOAT. One problem with promotional companies is they'll disagree and we miss out of a big money fight because they can't come to terms on it; that typically isn't the case with one org running the show.

You can't just tell the other commissions to shut down, well you could but they'd likely tell you to go F yourself.

[Cracky]

Originally Posted by Sgr Rob

Ah, thanks for the heads up. I disagree that the UFC isn't doing much for MMA; as a company they've invested millions on lobbying for states to pass legislation to allow MMA. They're currently spending millions to get the sport legalized in NY and CT, for example, like they had in MA and various other states.

I think both sports need unions, though, to support the fighters. That would be my answer for the orgs, at least, and not the fighter's promotion.

Boxing has financial support and lobbyists as well.. and is currently legal in more states than mma... this despite highly publicized and even live deaths in the ring.

MMA would receive support and lobbyists with or without the UFC company which limits the number contestants, which limits the number of individual fan bases, which limits the number of individual supporters. A private company is a hindrance to the sport. Image how big mma would be if we had prime Couture vs. Prime Fedor. .. Or Prime Liddel vs. prime Silva. Or Cung Le vs. GSP.. etc...etc.. so many great fights that we didn't get to see because of the competing companies that had control of the fighters... The sport would be much bigger if this road block was not there.. if the UFC was merely a promotional company and not a private company that controls every detail of the fights that take place between the fighters it has under contract.

Just my opinion though

[nicedistraction]

Originally Posted by Sgr Rob

Oh, gotcha. So WBO and WBA and IBC, etc, are all commissions? I don't get it, why have so many commissions then? With one there is a definite world champion, instead of four or five?

With MMA, there are already huge big-name fighters competing under an org's banner. Already Anderson Silva and Georges St-Pierre are talked about as two of the GOAT. One problem with promotional companies is they'll disagree and we miss out of a big money fight because they can't come to terms on it; that typically isn't the case with one org running the show.

bro that is THE fundamental problem with boxings appeal to a casual fan. however you can win the titles of all the commissions. guys will have 4 belts at a time for 1 weight class and be considered the undiputed champ. however the commissions managed to skrew that up as well with 'super champs' and what have you.

the problem with the org system in mma is that fighter potentially could not be able to fight eachother because they are in different orgs. this has yet to really occur because the ufc is dominant. but possibly one day other orgs will rise up and compete and you will have guys who are equals but can not fight due to being in different stables.

the problem with boxing is that fighters have so much power as to who they fight, and the big fights sometimes dont occur. in a perfect world for the fans all fighters would be under a single banner and have mandatory fights. however this is a rare occurance, like with the ufc for the past few years but we are starting to see it become less so with orgs like strikeforece rising

[Cracky]

Originally Posted by nicedistraction

bro that is THE fundamental problem with boxings appeal to a casual fan. however you can win the titles of all the commissions. guys will have 4 belts at a time for 1 weight class and be considered the undiputed champ. however the commissions managed to skrew that up as well with 'super champs' and what have you.

the problem with the org system in mma is that fighter potentially could not be able to fight eachother because they are in different orgs. this has yet to really occur because the ufc is dominant. but possibly one day other orgs will rise up and compete and you will have guys who are equals but can not fight due to being in different stables.

the problem with boxing is that fighters have so much power as to who they fight, and the big fights sometimes dont occur. in a perfect world for the fans all fighters would be under a single banner and have mandatory fights. however this is a rare occurance, like with the ufc for the past few years but we are starting to see it become less so with orgs like strikeforece rising

Has yet to occur? It has occured many times fyi. I gave some examples. Strikeforce already has worthy fighters that would give UFC fighters a run for their money.. some of which came from the UFC.. Dan Henderson for example.

The organizations are just a bullshit cloud... either a fighter is good or he's not. Brandon Vera = not that good.. yet he remains in the UFC and has through several losses while Werdum(who is good and beat Vera) was cut after one loss..
Keeping a guy like Werdum and letting go of a guy like Vera means that the UFC would be placing their future cash cows at greater risk because the competition would be greater.. so they let them go.. the same with hendo.


Now.. in a free system like boxing, Hendo could call out Forrest Griffin, and the fight would be possible.. in the current system it is not.. and that is the reason that we had to wait until Liddel and Silva were on the downward slide before they fought.

[nicedistraction]

well i aint much for ultimate fightin' so im not really up on all that. however if pacquiao and mayweather were in the ufc you bet your ass they would have fought already. it would have been fight or gtfo. fighter freedom is great for the reasons you listed, but theyres also drawbacks. gamboas next opponent would be juanma or caballero but instead its some other dude simply because he can.

and yes i said it was begining to occur as SF gets bigger. however there was a time when the ufc was the only thing that mattered and every fighter worth a damn went there so there were no big contradicitons

you make an interesting point with the vera/werdum thing.

one thing thats impressed me about mma is that at a wieght class like lhw with a ton of big names throughout the years, everyone has fought everyone at some point. you dont see that in boxing unfortunatly probably because the fighters have the freedom not to

[Cracky]

Originally Posted by nicedistraction

well i aint much for ultimate fightin' so im not really up on all that. however if pacquiao and mayweather were in the ufc you bet your ass they would have fought already. it would have been fight or gtfo. fighter freedom is great for the reasons you listed, but theyres also drawbacks. gamboas next opponent would be juanma or caballero but instead its some other dude simply because he can.

and yes i said it was begining to occur as SF gets bigger. however there was a time when the ufc was the only thing that mattered and every fighter worth a damn went there so there were no big contradicitons

you make an interesting point with the vera/werdum thing.

one thing thats impressed me about mma is that at a wieght class like lhw with a ton of big names throughout the years, everyone has fought everyone at some point. you dont see that in boxing unfortunatly probably because the fighters have the freedom not to

But here's the beauty of this difference. When Floyd doesn't fight Pac, Floyd gets blamed for not fighting Pac.. or vice versa.. and then a moral victory is awarded.. When Fedor doesn't fight Couture, their respective companies take the blame and no moral victories are awarded.. and neither fighter takes the blame..

[XCuTioNeR]

[emcee]

Tony Zale, Rocky Graziano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Virgil Hill, Jake LaMotta, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Carlos Ortiz, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Joey Maxim, Dick Tiger, Ken Buchanan, Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery, Nino Benvenuti, Carlos Monzon, Mike McCallum, Donald Curry, Carlos Palomino, Lloyd Honeyghan, Wilfred Benitez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfredo Vazquez, Ruben Olivares, Azumah Nelson, Michael Dokes, Emile Griffith, Wilfredo Gomez, Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Aaron Pryor, Jeff Chandler, Frank Liles.

That ought to keep you busy.

[van1ty]

Yes... the UFC is killing MMA. Just look at the garbage they put out!

http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-15...vs-Edgar-26099

4 ppv stars on one card, what an outrage.

[Sunfish]

Nice bump X.