oh and even the farangs fighting sucessfully in thailand fight thai style. i wonder why.
I agree. I was able to look at the first round of the Dekkers fight, and he started off fighting "thai style", then started using punches more. That said, his opponent was clearly destroying him with kicks. What I'm saying, is that if all things are equal and both fighters are landing the same kicks, but one fighter is also landing punches (while avoiding the clinch) then that fighter is scoring more points and should win. In the Dekkers example he was getting rocked by kicks and pushed all over the place so it outweighed any points he would have scored with boxing. So all other things were NOT equal in that fight.
Yeah, Ramon fought Samart at 132lb back in July 12, 1989 and knocked him clean out. This is a testament to why kickboxers have superior boxing. Have you ever heard of Dany Bill's brother named Dennis Bill? He outboxed Samart 4 Chatchai Paiseethong and cruised to an effortless decision.
That's funny, because neither one of those two has that fight on their records.
These posters here shitting all over Buakaw have got to stop. It’s getting ridiculous. Buakaw has no heart? Prefers easier competition in Japan? GTFO!
This guy has fought (and beat!) the best the world has to offer. He went up against absolute monsters like Masato, Souwer and Kraus at their peaks and as often as not came up on top. These guys in their primes were leagues ahead of any competition in Thailand at 70kg (case in point: every other Thai who tried to emulate Buakaw’s success failed miserably). Easier competition my ass.
And while this was happening he got screwed out most of his winnings by leeches like Pramuk. Masato got rich, and Souwer was able to live very comfortably, yet Buakaw had to live in comparative squalor. People here for years loved to bitch about how the Japanese were supposedly screwing Buakaw, while the real crimes done against him were perpetrated by fellow Thais. The Japanese made him a star and made him rich, the Thais took that from him. That’s the real travesty in all this.
Now at the tail end of his career, which, mind you, is already lasting far longer than your average Thai nak muay’s career, Buakaw is electing to make the fights that make most sense for him in the long term. Unlike Masato, he needs to think about how he’s going to live for the rest of his life without becoming a tuk tuk driver to make ends meet.
You guys here saying how he has no heart and is a sell out: Fuck off. He’s already given you more than any Thai ever has on the world stage, and then some. He deserves your support, not your condemnation.
Bunch of Muay Thai fanboys on here. It's quite obvious that kickboxers have superior boxing and could knock out any Thai. Have you ever seen kickboxing legend Ramon Dekkers knock out WBC champion Samart Payakaroon with a 1-2? You haven't, because you guys don't know your own sport. I was there to witness this event at the Super Saitama Arena located in Bangkok back in 1989.
I could even name 20 kickboxers who've won legitimate world boxing titles:
Ramon Dekkers,legend as he surely has been,faced some ferocious comp and though he was able to knock a few out (hence his populairity with the gamblers) he was soundly beaten by many a Thai and never managed to win a stadium title. As for Europeans being able to beat Thai with their boxing skill? Come on. Muay Thai is all about fighting distances and boxing distance is just one of them..try getting past the kicks first and should u succeed upclose and personal the elbows and clinch neutralize boxing completely.
And many kickboxers have indeed won boxing titles..but at the same token this can also be said about Thaiboxers.
So no examples at all, just more "nu uhs!". Got it.
Well I did try and explain in the post before how FTR fights are actually scored, I tried to explain that all weapons are not equal as such and the perceived effect of the weapon is taken into account, I tried to explain there is a lot more to it than just getting rag dolled in the clinch, but you chose to either not read or ignore it and post about bias.
Thats kind of what I tried to explain to you before, all things are not really equal when it comes to ftr scoring and a guy trying to outbox and out score an opponent will generally lose to one landing with solid body kicks or knees etc…
All things are not really equal in any ftr fight, although all techniques are classed as scoring shots, some are perceived as having more effect than others and thats why better hands skills won't get you an advantage if you are fighting ftr