Timothy Bradley

[XCuTioNeR]

Pac only fans are top 5 worst fans out there.
It'll be bittersweet when Pacquiao retires.

[Seano]

Originally Posted by Fat Abbot

The overwhelming majority of ppl who watched the fight had Pac clearly winning.

Anyone who scored that fight for Bradley was oxygen deprived at birth.

The overwhelming majority are also all huge Pac fans.

I scored the fight even fight night and have scored it 115/113 for Bradley after 2 replays, which was perfectly in line with the judges.

The simple truth of that fight was that Pac had a hard time finding the openings and was missing alot all the while fighting only for the last minute of each round. You LOSE fights that way, only Ray Leonard has ever really got away with that. There are several youtube vids that break that fight down in slo mo and PROVE fans weren't seeing what they thought they were seeing. I will post them again if you persist in your ear plugging argument.

The official TRAINED judges got it right. Pac fans saw what they wanted to see.

Even the hardest Pac fans on this site have said, "Even though I saw Pac win, it was close." If you didn't see a close fight that night, then you don't know what to look for when scoring a fight.

[BluntTrauma21]

I watched Pac/Bradley 4 times. The first time it was live and I was kind of wasted. Had Tim winning 1 round and was saying robbery. Then I rewatched the fight 3 more times the next day and scored it 115-113 Pac, 116-112 Pac, and had one a draw.

I personally didn't think Tim deserved the win (like I said, being generous I gave him 6rds tops) but there's alot of good posters who think he did so it obviously could be scored for him. It reminds me of Pac/Marquez 3 when I scored the fight like 4 times and the best I could give Pac was a draw as well.

My take on the fight is that there were alot of casual fans watching and those people don't score fights. You can watch a fight and at the end say "that guy won" but if you don't score the fight round by round then it really doesn't mean anything. I think alot of people watched Pac/Bradley and w/o keeping score just assumed Pac won b/c he had Tim hurt a couple times and was throwing the flashier combos.


The truth is however, that there were alot of close rounds where Pac kind of took his foot off the gas and may have allowed Bradley to take a few rounds he probably wouldn't have if Pac had kept his activity up.

Also, Tim isn't a flashy fighter. He reminds me alot of a better version of Carlos Molina. Both guys come to fight but neither are very exciting. Both guys are well conditioned, can pressure fight, but have some boxing skills too. I really never thought that either guy was that good, but they continually make fights closer than I expect them to and get wins I don't expect either.


I like Tim. He's a good fighter and seems like a good dude outside of the ring too. It's not his fault he got the win. He busted both of his ankles and kept fighting against a p4p elite fighter. He deserves credit for not giving up and making the fight closer than alot of people seem to think. I hope he gets another fight that pays well. He needs to stop catapulting his head into people's faces though. Shit is not cool.

Sorry for the long post, but fuck you guys. I got nothing better to do.

[Seano]

Good post.

[BluntTrauma21]

thanks man

[Bonos]

LOL at some fanboys pulling the elitist card that I can't score when many had the fight wide. Even worse some of you scored 5+ rounds or score it outright for Bradley. Very unbiased opinion there.

[Bonos]

Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Gary Andrew Poole, TIME: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, Da Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao
George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao
Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
J.C. Casarez, Boxeo Mundial: 115-113 Pacquiao
Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley
Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley
Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley

TOTAL: Pacquiao 50, Bradley 3.

A obvious Pactard conspiracy. Thank god the TRAINED judges saved the sport from embarrassment.

[borntoloseNOT]

Originally Posted by Bonos

LOL at some fanboys pulling the elitist card that I can't score when many had the fight wide. Even worse some of you scored 5+ rounds or score it outright for Bradley. Very unbiased opinion there.

IDK, man. These aren't trolls we're talking about. The boxing forum is made up mostly of posters who appreciate the up-to-date conversation, debate, etc about boxing that they can have in this surprisingly well-informed forum (I hit this place every morning while I sip my coffee before work, so I know I appreciate the great posts here), and wouldn't likely sacrifice their credibility to converse about their beloved sport over an attempt to pull people's legs about a controversial decision. I'd say scoring the fight against the general consensus (ie close fight, draw or win for Bradley) is putting one's rep on the line, and therefore as unbiased as can be on the subject.

Not saying all people who "scored" the fight wide for Pac are biased, I'm just saying it seems less likely people who scored the fight closer than "Bradley got 2 rnds, if he's lucky!" are being biased, as they seem to have seen the measures taken by both fighters that night, not just the one.

[Seano]

Originally Posted by Bonos

A obvious Pactard conspiracy. Thank god the TRAINED judges saved the sport from embarrassment.

Thanks for providing a list of boxing fans. I'll still go with the judges who all saw the same fight I did.

[Bonos]

Originally Posted by borntoloseNOT

Not saying all people who "scored" the fight wide for Pac are biased, I'm just saying it seems less likely people who scored the fight closer than "Bradley got 2 rnds, if he's lucky!" are being biased, as they seem to have seen the measures taken by both fighters that night, not just the one.

The boxing media seems to be on my side...ino...ino...they all love Pacquiao so much and they have sullied their reputation by not coming to consensus with the esteemed panel of sherdog boxing forum veterans. I don't think anyone is trolling btw, they just happen to dislike one of the two fighters that night. Why should I change my scorecard to please some contrarians?