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Old 11-20-2012, 09:15 PM   #221
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old school stance works but the problem is that you cant really do it right if you dont have the basics down how can you fight similar (not saying your trying to copy him but the same stance) to joe louis when you cant even be as technical as ricardo mayorga you know what i mean? first learn a normal stance then get used to it it will be easier to learn whatever you want and when you learn it learn how to use the old school stance it will be way easier and sharper. also having a high guard in mma aint as bad you could parry pretty good it could still block something and yeaa i got to go eat
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That wall of texts from Sinister will show why it is a bad idea to train in modern boxing and then learning old school stance. It is just funamentally different, and the modern is basically what happened to the old school when the knowledge of the art was not moving from generation to generation.

It is not really about limiting knowledge. It is about being focus on honing the basic fundamental of the art down.

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Old 11-20-2012, 09:39 PM   #222
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That wall of texts from Sinister will show why it is a bad idea to train in modern boxing and then learning old school stance. It is just funamentally different, and the modern is basically what happened to the old school when the knowledge of the art was not moving from generation to generation.

It is not really about limiting knowledge. It is about being focus on honing the basic fundamental of the art down.
what is this its sinister basically saying that it helps you get hit less because the heads farther away its not showing anything else tho it doesnt say you could just learn it right away. i understand you dont want to get hit thats whats boxings for but it worked for the old school people because there trainers had the knowledge to help them use it. sinister knows how to use the stance because of mike mccallum well i think well im assuming he tought him everything but idk, anyways you cant teach yourself or get taught it by someone who don't know about it especially if you dont even know the basics your going to get yourself beat down if you keep on trying this and not having the right guidance. sinister is smart as shit and a good teacher but you cant learn from him or the internet or from watching fights of joe louis and the old time greats on youtube without even knowing how to throw the punches right or how to slip right. old school stance relies on moving your body into a better position where you make them miss then you counter while still being out of the way of the next punch thats some advance shit bro that won't help you if you cant even use a peek a boo right . i understand why you want to use it but you shouldnt try it untill you know someone that has that knowledge you should get down the actual basics first then idk move to las vegas and learn what you want to learn lol it will be easier trust me or go to sinister's gym and learn from mccallum if he wants to train you that would be perfect if you want to learn it but it'l be way harder learning it without the basics trust me i know i cant really do it .

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Old 11-20-2012, 09:54 PM   #223
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what is this its sinister basically saying that it helps you get hit less because the heads farther away its not showing anything else tho it doesnt say you could just learn it right away. i understand you dont want to get hit thats whats boxings for but it worked for the old school people because there trainers had the knowledge to help them use it. sinister knows how to use the stance because of mike mccallum well i think well im assuming he tought him everything but idk, anyways you cant teach yourself or get taught it by someone who don't know about it especially if you dont even know the basics your going to get yourself beat down if you keep on trying this and not having the right guidance. sinister is smart as shit and a good teacher but you cant learn from him or the internet or from watching fights of joe louis and the old time greats on youtube without even knowing how to throw the punches right or how to slip right. old school stance relies on moving your body into a better position where you make them miss then you counter while still being out of the way of the next punch thats some advance shit bro that won't help you if you cant even use a peek a boo right . i understand why you want to use it but you shouldnt try it untill you know someone that has that knowledge you should get down the actual basics first then idk move to las vegas and learn what you want to learn lol it will be easier trust me or go to sinister's gym and learn from mccallum if he wants to train you that would be perfect if you want to learn it but it'l be way harder learning it without the basics trust me i know i cant really do it .
Earlier in this thread Sinister did said about how he would rather built someone from the ground up rather than having an established amateur/pro and teach them old school principals.

And for the third time, what i am doing here is fundamentals. I am learning the basic prinicpals of old school boxing steps by steps with Sinister's help (along with some other Sherdoggers). A lot of people think this is gimmicky and niche, or "it is too advanced for you bro". No. This is foundational, argue however you like, you cannot deny that fact. Two, do you think Joe Louis and other old school greats at one point like me or they just suddenly learn everything in one day? They starts with foundational stuffs, which make them the fighters they were because they know what they were doing brought from a firm knowledge of the fundamentals.

I do agree on the fact that what am i doing with this whole online learning is unconventional and frowned upon, but i do have a desire to learn, while Sinister is kind enough to help and teach me. I am really appreciate him of that facts, which is why i am striving to get better so that his efforts won't go to waste.

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Old 11-20-2012, 10:11 PM   #224
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Earlier in this thread Sinister did said about how he would rather built someone from the ground up rather than having an established amateur/pro and teach them old school principals.

And for the third time, what i am doing here is fundamentals. I am learning the basic prinicpals of old school boxing steps by steps with Sinister's help (along with some other Sherdoggers). A lot of people think this is gimmicky and niche, or "it is too advanced for you bro". No. This is foundational, argue however you like, you cannot deny that fact. Two, do you think Joe Louis and other old school greats at one point like me or they just suddenly learn everything in one day? They starts with foundational stuffs, which make them the fighters they were because they know what they were doing brought from a firm knowledge of the fundamentals.

I do agree on the fact that what am i doing with this whole online learning is unconventional and frowned upon, but i do have a desire to learn, while Sinister is kind enough to help and teach me. I am really appreciate him of that facts, which is why i am striving to get better so that his efforts won't go to waste.
yea but he knows how to do it and how to teach it and learning online isnt the same thing as learning it from a trainer you have to be a really reallly good learner to be able to do this right and then they wont be able to coach you through a sparring session it wont help you there they will help you later but trust me that coaching during the sparring works . and i'd rather not argue i got's to start watching me some SOA so i got to speed this up lol. anyways yea if this is foundational then your base or foundation will be bad it will be like the foundation of a building in sinaloa mexico compared to a base of a new york building. you got to get a trainer that will show you the basics or the old school stance. and well it dont matter how they were back then they had trainers that knew about the stance and everything blackburn had infinite amounts of boxing knowledge he fought joe gans sam longford and harry greb he had experience and he knew how to teach so it didnt matter if they were unathletic nerds theyd still turn into beautiful boxers and either way he taught louis after he was a successful amateur idk bout robinson tho.if you want fundementals then look at hopkins he has a old school stance too but he has everything else too he has hands in the perfect place he's always balanced and hes in the best position to hit and not to get hit.its great that you want to learn but don't try to take on something like this if you dont got your basics down at best your stance will be alright you wont be able to use it to its best capabilities tho

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Old 11-20-2012, 10:22 PM   #225
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yea but he knows how to do it and how to teach it and learning online isnt the same thing as learning it from a trainer you have to be a really reallly good learner to be able to do this right and then they wont be able to coach you through a sparring session it wont help you there they will help you later but trust me that coaching during the sparring works . and i'd rather not argue i got's to start watching me some SOA so i got to speed this up lol. anyways yea if this is foundational then your base or foundation will be bad it will be like the foundation of a building in sinaloa mexico compared to a base of a new york building. you got to get a trainer that will show you the basics or the old school stance. and well it dont matter how they were back then they had trainers that knew about the stance and everything blackburn had infinite amounts of boxing knowledge he fought joe gans sam longford and harry greb he had experience and he knew how to teach so it didnt matter if they were unathletic nerds theyd still turn into beautiful boxers and either way he taught louis after he was a successful amateur idk bout robinson tho.if you want fundementals then look at hopkins he has a old school stance too but he has everything else too he has hands in the perfect place he's always balanced and hes in the best position to hit and not to get hit.its great that you want to learn but don't try to take on something like this if you dont got your basics down at best your stance will be alright you wont be able to use it to its best capabilities tho
I'm glad you stop. Because with your way of looking at this, there are a few people in here that's going to disagree HARD with you.

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Old 11-20-2012, 10:34 PM   #226
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I'm glad you stop. Because with your way of looking at this, there are a few people in here that's going to disagree HARD with you.
same with you except the people that will argue with you will have reasoning

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same with you except the people that will argue with you will have reasoning
Minus the fact that there are barely any people around here that actually understood the system to be able to discern what's fundamental and what's not. That included you too.

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Holy... Javier1, could you use paragraphs, the wall of text is hard to read.

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Holy... Javier1, could you use paragraphs, the wall of text is hard to read.
And some punctuation man! Makes my head hurt.

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And some punctuation man! Makes my head hurt.

Also I nominate NLM for "most fitting sherdog name" award.

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