Your view on Protein powder/shakes.

[MirkoCC]

Hello,

I don't no if i am the only one but has anyone else wasted there money on protein and it seems to have no effect on you what so ever compared to a day when you train and don't take it?

In short this thread is a BLACKLIST for protein powders and shakes you feel were ineffective.
And
Products you found effective.

(This is not a rant, it is to help other uses avoid these products.)

EFFECTIVE:
Bio-X Power Whey Complex 908g

INEFFECTIVE:
Maximuscle Promax 454 g
Maximuscle Definity High Protein Shake

[Torrid]

I don't know what people expect from protein powder. I mean, I usually just drink milk, or whole milk when I want a liquid protein for PWO.

However, I'll grab that generic brand stuff at Kroger that's cheap as dirt to throw in a smoothie or if they have a sale on something tastier I might go for it. But really, it's a supplement, not a meal.

[MirkoCC]

Originally Posted by Torrid

I don't know what people expect from protein powder. I mean, I usually just drink milk, or whole milk when I want a liquid protein for PWO.

However, I'll grab that generic brand stuff at Kroger that's cheap as dirt to throw in a smoothie or if they have a sale on something tastier I might go for it. But really, it's a supplement, not a meal.

I don't think you have understood properly, i'm referring to those that claim to aid faster recovery.

Sorry for not making it clear.

[iwannabeadored]

protein is protein. Doesn't matter if it comes from a meal or food.

Its just used to hit the 1 gram of protein per lbm. Sometimes this is hard to do with just food, which is why protein powder is used.


It would only help you recover faster if it has some type of glutamine or bcaas.

And on top of that you have to be on top of your diet. .4 gram of fats per lbm, 1 gram of protein per lbm, the rest carbs.

[Gotti McCarran]

Originally Posted by MirkoCC

Hello,

I don't no if i am the only one but has anyone else wasted there money on protein and it seems to have no effect on you what so ever compared to a day when you train and don't take it?

In short this thread is a BLACKLIST for protein powders and shakes you feel were ineffective.
And
Products you found effective.

(This is not a rant, it is to help other uses avoid these products.)

EFFECTIVE:
Bio-X Power Whey Complex 908g

INEFFECTIVE:
Maximuscle Promax 454 g
Maximuscle Definity High Protein Shake

Whey is more bio-available and also usually contains a lot more BCAAs, which actually have an effect you can experience, like they can allow you to go hard for longer, when taking 30 minutes before and at the onset of training or example. They then let you go hard for a little longer than you normally could. Maybe some of that is psychological, but I think I felt a real difference. Of course you probably won't feel that with whey as much as with highly concentrated BCAA capsules, but you may still feel an effect. Different kinds of protein are good for different things. A 7K or 10K protein is not a pre or post workout drink. It's for a steady stream of protein during the night. Also +1 to what everyone else said.

Your thread is silly. You can discuss what tastes better or what has better ingredients or the best ratio of nutrient quality / cost or whatever, but to put stuff on a "blacklist", because you don't understand what it does is silly. That stuff only ever does anything if your diet is well tuned and you really need it anyway. That usually means you train twice a day and lift heavy almost every day. If you don't like greens and chicken, then you need it. You can't eat sausage and fries, a milkshake and cheeseburger from McDonalds and have a gallon of coke with it and then expect to perform better the next day, because you used a protein shake after training. That stuff is not magic powder, it's just protein that can easily be used, when you can't otherwise get enough good proteins in, like when you live between McDonalds, a gas station and BurgerKing and within a 6 mile radius, there is not a living soul. If your car has broken down, your tires on the mountain bike are flat and your girl friend hid your running shoes, before she went out with your rollerskates. Let's say your kitchen is being renovated at the same time. Now that's when you really need protein powder.

[BangWhosNxt]

Originally Posted by MirkoCC

I don't think you have understood properly, i'm referring to those that claim to aid faster recovery.

Did you happen to check the ingredient lists to see if their claims were expressed by any one ingredient?

Originally Posted by iwannabeadored

It would only help you recover faster if it has some type of glutamine or bcaas.

If I'm not mistaken, all protein powder will have glutamine and bcaa's in them.

[Gotti McCarran]

Originally Posted by BangWhosNxt

If I'm not mistaken, all protein powder will have glutamine and bcaa's in them.

Yes, it has. But a lot of it has very little of it and also has lots of simple sugar in it. There definitely is a difference between different brands and kinds of protein powder as far as ingredients and prices, but I think the TS didn't actually read the labels. He is just going by his form or something apparently and doesn't know the difference between whey and protein with lots of components in it. They are for different things and he seems to think they are all supposed to do the same thing.

I personally liked this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mr...ural-whey.html

It has a good price, good amount of BCAAs not much sugar and salt and tastes great. But that was over 5 years ago, when I used it. I never really used protein powder other than whey either, because I was easily getting enough protein in just with the whey and wasn't too worried about losing muscle over night or anything like that. My diet is total shit these days and I don't train any more, so it would be a waste of money to use protein powder. I don't even know if it's still a good buy though. There are so many brands these days...

[MirkoCC]

Originally Posted by Gotti McCarran

Whey is more bio-available and also usually contains a lot more BCAAs, which actually have an effect you can experience, like they can allow you to go hard for longer, when taking 30 minutes before and at the onset of training or example. They then let you go hard for a little longer than you normally could. Maybe some of that is psychological, but I think I felt a real difference. Of course you probably won't feel that with whey as much as with highly concentrated BCAA capsules, but you may still feel an effect. Different kinds of protein are good for different things. A 7K or 10K protein is not a pre or post workout drink. It's for a steady stream of protein during the night. Also +1 to what everyone else said.

Your thread is silly. You can discuss what tastes better or what has better ingredients or the best ratio of nutrient quality / cost or whatever, but to put stuff on a "blacklist", because you don't understand what it does is silly. That stuff only ever does anything if your diet is well tuned and you really need it anyway. That usually means you train twice a day and lift heavy almost every day. If you don't like greens and chicken, then you need it. You can't eat sausage and fries, a milkshake and cheeseburger from McDonalds and have a gallon of coke with it and then expect to perform better the next day, because you used a protein shake after training. That stuff is not magic powder, it's just protein that can easily be used, when you can't otherwise get enough good proteins in, like when you live between McDonalds, a gas station and BurgerKing and within a 6 mile radius, there is not a living soul. If your car has broken down, your tires on the mountain bike are flat and your girl friend hid your running shoes, before she went out with your rollerskates. Let's say your kitchen is being renovated at the same time. Now that's when you really need protein powder.

That last paragraph was like...dafuq did I just read?

No I don't go McDonalds, only ever been twice and got a Mcflurry, my day to day eating and exercise is the same shit BUT with different proteins i feel different post and pre workout. Maybe because the Ingredients used are different but I dunno they all claim "Quicker recovery after workouts" but only one seems to do the job for me.

[BangWhosNxt]

Originally Posted by Gotti McCarran

Yes, it has. But a lot of it has very little of it and also has lots of simple sugar in it. There definitely is a difference between different brands and kinds of protein powder as far as ingredients and prices, but I think the TS didn't actually read the labels. He is just going by his form or something apparently and doesn't know the difference between whey and protein with lots of components in it. They are for different things and he seems to think they are all supposed to do the same thing.

Whey protein powder by itself doesn't vary it quality all that much from brand to brand. What does vary is how much protein is actually in the blend itself. Many brands claim to have X number of grams per serving when in reality they only have Y; usually less than what they claim.

Also, like you said, different brands use different flavoring ingredients usually resulting in a difference in sugar content.

Originally Posted by MirkoCC

That last paragraph was like...dafuq did I just read?

No I don't go McDonalds, only ever been twice and got a Mcflurry, my day to day eating and exercise is the same shit BUT with different proteins i feel different post and pre workout. Maybe because the Ingredients used are different but I dunno they all claim "Quicker recovery after workouts" but only one seems to do the job for me.

I really think you're over-thinking this whole idea. Figure out how much protein you need and consume it. It's that simple.

[Pathogenic]

Originally Posted by Gotti McCarran

Your thread is silly. You can discuss what tastes better or what has better ingredients or the best ratio of nutrient quality / cost or whatever, but to put stuff on a "blacklist", because you don't understand what it does is silly. That stuff only ever does anything if your diet is well tuned and you really need it anyway.

Preach it, brother.