Nuclearlandmine's journey to detonation V1: I hate douchebags

[Bay Area]

Nuke, maybe you should actually read the guys ^^ post in the other thread. All of its points were valid. Every one. And the guy took time out of his day to anylize your vids and compose an essay. Even if you disagree with the points (which would be foolish, but its your right) you could be more humble. You're pretty ****y for a beginner man.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Scythegpd

I tried to edit my post before you quoted it, because I was pissed off at wasting my time when writing my initial reply, because there was NO WAY you could have read my "hard sparring" post in the time in which you replied.

Many people don't like my writing (or talking style) because my trait is naturally cold, hard and clinical, it's just how I am. If you don't like it you don't have to reply to my posts.

A thanks for that play-by-play (which nobody else bothered to do) would have been nice but because you don't like the way I write, hey lets just act like a douche instead. Yeah, I might have repeated some stuff but that's because I was primarily going between the video and openoffice, as opposed to reading 16 pages and making notes of what had and hadn't been said. I thought that was the thread purpose, "critique my video", not "audit the thread". But yeah, apparently, when I could have just said "You're shit, your defence isn't working very well, told you so" I'm apparently going to write 15000 characters to "prove I'm better than you"? I don't know if you're sad enough to do that but I sure are hell aren't.
Not to mention that in some points I noted that you were making the same mistakes I make and I'm working on trying to improve. Pretty weird way to "prove" I'm better than you.

Essentially what you're saying to me is "I don't like how you write, I don't like what you write, I don't like when you disagree with me, I don't appreciate your feedback so fuck off".
Don't worry, for all the appreciation you've shown after all my effort in the "hard sparring" reply your message has been received loud and clear.

p.s. I never claimed to follow ALL of your recent posting. I claimed to follow ENOUGH of your recent posting to be able to predict a reply. Turns outs, unfortunately, I was spot on. Pretty sure I know what the reply to this is going to be too.

Yes, because you just followed my recent posting which is why dont know the reason why i am constantly piss off at this. You dont see my rage against people who followed my threads from the beginning till now, do you?

What? So someone who cannot read fast and reply fast now?

I already said i appreciate the time you spent. But the way you dig up an issue regarding the douchebag (that was already deal with) and then at the end play off your training background made me mad, because it is like every some other people out there who think that just because they trained in place better than me automatically mean that they understood the system i am learning. This is showed when you miscontructed the history of boxing in the other thread. Also, you are expecting a "thank" for all your work. I dont know about you, but came off as incredibly condesending. Just because you spent loads of time on it doesnt mean that i will like it. And since it is my thread, i do have the rights to filter the critiques so that the only things left are things that are helpful for my striking game. I am not saying there arent things i cant learn from your critiques, but you came off as incredibly consending and pissy about it and that's what made me mad, as every time my threads came up there will be people like you. And if you know that your reply might make other people mad, why the hell do you even finish it?

the overal vibe i get from your replies, like every other that made me mad, is:"i am better than you, therefore if you dont listen to me, you will doomed yourself. You have to thank me for enlightening your arse"

Do you understand the system i am learning might i ask?

Originally Posted by Scythegpd

Nah man, it's cool, I'm done replying to this guy.
Rather spend my time focussing on people who actually appreciate it when you try and give them advice and help them out (especially when they specifically ask for it). Can't be arsed helping people who, instead of saying thanks, just give you shit. I'm sure I can find other ways to waste my time.

Right, as if i actually mad about your critique. I mad about HOW incredibly condesending and pissy your critiques is. And why does it always happen EVERY GODDAMN TIME, just with different people?

Edit: Bay Area, im not saying his critiques are invalid. It is. It overlapped some of the earlier critiques, too. And i read it already. But the way he made his critique are incredibly insulting to me. It is not about whether or not his critiques are invalid or not.

TL/Dr: Dude, as a beginner i incredibly appreciated what you have done to help me. I need every help i could get. But next time please say it like you want to help me, not say it like the your first post in this thread. If you read your first post in this thread and your critiques in the other objectively, you sounded like some other people who wanders to my thread, and then after a while often resorts to the "this is my critique. If you dont't get it, you will die" attitude. Again, you might not meant it, but that's what i get. Simple.

But thank you for your critiques anyway. I hope you can drop me more critiques in the future (without sounding like that, obviously)

[Marbig]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

Yes, because you just followed my recent posting which is why dont know the reason why i am constantly piss off at this. You dont see my rage against people who followed my threads from the beginning till now, do you?

To be fair, you have ALOT of threads in the standup forum and each of them are very long (not saying this is your fault however). What this means is that it will take quite a while to browse through all of them and, really, can you expect people who are giving you free advice to go that far?

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

But the way you dig up an issue regarding the douchebag (that was already deal with) and then at the end play off your training background made me mad, because it is like every some other people out there who think that just because they trained in place better than me automatically mean that they understood the system i am learning. Also, you are expecting a "thank" for all your work. I dont know about you, but came off as incredibly condesending. Just because you spent loads of time on it doesnt mean that i will like it. And since it is my thread, i do have the rights to filter the critiques so that the only things left are things that are helpful for my striking game. I am not saying there arent things i cant learn from your critiques, but you came off as incredibly consending and pissy about it and that's what made me mad, as every time my threads came up there will be people like you. And if you know that your reply might make other people mad, why the hell do you even finish it?

So I know you said the 'douche' called you his bitch, flirted with the girls etc If he really did that, then I agree that it IS douchey behaviour on his part. However, if we solely look at the footage you provided us, then I have to agree with the other poster as the 'douche' did appear to be quite civilised in the video. He was courteous after the spar and, although he had thrown some hard shots, so have you. Not to mention you dobbed on him even though you had already retaliated during the session.

Also, from a third person's POV, I found the poster's critiques to be quite fair. I didn't find it condescending- I actually thought it was quite thoughtful how he even numbered what he percieved to be your flaws. I mean, if he was only there to patronise you then he could have just went "naw internet warrior man, you suck. Give up n00b." That would have taken far less time.

Furthermore, yes, we know this is your thread. However, this is also a critique thread. No one likes being told they're wrong (including me) and I admire you for having the balls to actually post real life footage of yourself. Even taking this into account though, I am afraid that you at this stage (6 months?) cannot state what "helps" you or what doesn't help you. If you know what is right for you and how to apply it...then there will be no more need for these types of threads.

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

the overal vibe i get from your replies, like every other that made me mad, is:"i am better than you, therefore if you dont listen to me, you will doomed yourself. You have to thank me for enlightening your arse"

I got the vibe of "hey, I actually train at a real gym so my advice is legit (versus the "advice" garage/internet warriors give)".

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

Right, as if i actually mad about your critique. I mad about HOW incredibly And why does it always happen EVERY GODDAMN TIME, just with different people?

I am glad you asked. There are 3 people on this forum that I know of that use this "old school" approach- you, Sinister and Disciplus. Sinister gets a lot of (well-deserved) respect here. Disciplus opens threads that are just as thought-provoking (e.g. "HANDS UP!....") as yours but he ends up with solid discussion nearly every time. This is my personal opinion only but I think its because of the way you phrase things and the fact you are unwilling to try out anything other than what you percieve to be "right" that causes these comments? I mean, after 6 months 0 fights and 1 hard spar, you go around critisizing stuff that pros use and call them "lazy defences" etc...regardless of how right/wrong you may be, it is frustrating for those who have trained 2-3 years and have have competitive experience to be told off by you.

P.S. Don't have anything personal against you- its just that I felt for the fellow white belt who spent all this time and ended up with a "thanks but no thanks" kinda reply from you.

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by Marbig

To be fair, you have ALOT of threads in the standup forum and each of them are very long (not saying this is your fault however). What this means is that it will take quite a while to browse through all of them and, really, can you expect people who are giving you free advice to go that far?

So I know you said the 'douche' called you his bitch, flirted with the girls etc If he really did that, then I agree that it IS douchey behaviour on his part. However, if we solely look at the footage you provided us, then I have to agree with the other poster as the 'douche' did appear to be quite civilised in the video. He was courteous after the spar and, although he had thrown some hard shots, so have you. Not to mention you dobbed on him even though you had already retaliated during the session.

Also, from a third person's POV, I found the poster's critiques to be quite fair. I didn't find it condescending- I actually thought it was quite thoughtful how he even numbered what he percieved to be your flaws. I mean, if he was only there to patronise you then he could have just went "naw internet warrior man, you suck. Give up n00b." That would have taken far less time.

Furthermore, yes, we know this is your thread. However, this is also a critique thread. No one likes being told they're wrong (including me) and I admire you for having the balls to actually post real life footage of yourself. Even taking this into account though, I am afraid that you at this stage (6 months?) cannot state what "helps" you or what doesn't help you. If you know what is right for you and how to apply it...then there will be no more need for these types of threads.

I got the vibe of "hey, I actually train at a real gym so my advice is legit (versus the "advice" garage/internet warriors give)".

I am glad you asked. There are 3 people on this forum that I know of that use this "old school" approach- you, Sinister and Disciplus. Sinister gets a lot of (well-deserved) respect here. Disciplus opens threads that are just as thought-provoking (e.g. "HANDS UP!....") as yours but he ends up with solid discussion nearly every time. This is my personal opinion only but I think its because of the way you phrase things and the fact you are unwilling to try out anything other than what you percieve to be "right" that causes these comments? I mean, after 6 months 0 fights and 1 hard spar, you go around critisizing stuff that pros use and call them "lazy defences" etc...regardless of how right/wrong you may be, it is frustrating for those who have trained 2-3 years and have have competitive experience to be told off by you.

P.S. Don't have anything personal against you- its just that I felt for the fellow white belt who spent all this time and ended up with a "thanks but no thanks" kinda reply from you.

No problem dude. I know it is not personal. And i appreciate the time you put out that wall of texts. However, let me try to elaborate my viewpoint from here. I hope that this one will be explanation over why i act in my threads. I will go according to the points you made.

For the first one, yes i might have my expectations a bit too far up my ass. However, i kept getting frustrated from getting the same kind of responses over and over again that isn't remotely helpful to me. For example, in the case of the hands up part, it showed rather badly when aside from the people who followed my threads, every other person decided to ignore my first warning and dish out the same critiques again. This became rather bad with the sparring vs the douchebag, where it sort of became a "i told you so" moment for a lot of guys. Now if the guy acted nice, i'd have no problem explain it again nicely. However, not a lot of guy actually being nice after i explain it, and it often descended into shit storm of people being pissy because i said that their critiques wasn't helpful at all.

For the guy above, like i said before i have no problem with his critiques. It is his way of deliver it that made me mad. I got a lot of condesending and pissy comments about how "i don't take critiques well", and "you are just beginner". Like his first post in this thread is this:

Originally Posted by Scythegpd

Just posted a freaking novel in your "hard sparring" thread.
Take it or leave it, if you disagree with anything I've said there I'm not going to argue the point as I really can't be bothered trying to have a discussion with you, I already know you won't take anything on board that doesn't align with what you want to believe.
So yeah, that's my feedback based on the video you posted, you can either take in on board or ignore it. But if you dislike or disagree with what you read, well it's just b=my honest opinion based on your video.

I don't know about you, but with the "take it or leave it" attitude he showed, plus the way he flaunts his background errily reminded me of posters below who were being a jerk, either they wanted me to followed their advices only, or they wanted me to get beat bad so that their critiques have validation, or they just being condesending to my method. His critiques are valid, but at the same time the way he dished it out felt like he's doing out of spite. Even your way of interpret his critiques reeked of such implications too. He may not mean it, but imo it looked like it, and i'm pretty sick of it.

Originally Posted by Free your mind

Man people are advising you to try basic fighting techniques and you're completely ignoring them, fighting rabbit has made some very valid points and you don't even care. Do us all a favor and go do some hard sparring with your hands down like you've been doing and post a video of that. Should make for some good lols.

Originally Posted by jamiesda

Boxing principles are not a niche. TS hasn't learned the basic principles yet he is trying to emulate a niche style of boxing that is not the norm and then putting the principles in place. Im not going to get into how boxing distance/angles are different from mma. This will be my last post on this. In my opinion TS is not going to learn the fine points of boxing on an internet forum and my advice is if he is intending on competing or sparring in mma to adopt a higher guard learn the basics then if he finds this particular style suits him down the line then go for it

With the douchebag, i guess i will have to explain this further. I've encountered a lot of douchebag in my training time, either striking or grappling. They all looked nice, being helpful or whatever, but when it comes to sparring/rolling time, they often just beat the shit out of other people or get real hard when they felt like they don't have the upper hand. I have another douchebag in my grappling class, who often say "let's go light" but he roll like it is the World Championship and everything is at stake. He's a boxer as well, but he never seemed to grasps the concept of going light, as the last time i spar "light" with him i ended up with a swollen eye and plenty other times he hit me much harder than he should. He always pull the "let's go light, man" whenever the other people adjusts to his intensity, then pull the same shit again. And there's this time where he purposely injured a guy from another gym, when it was just warming up for a comp in Thailand. All this because he had some beefs with the instructor. I hate the douchebag in the sparring vid not just because the way he act in the class, but he also represents almost everything i hate in a person. I know he's gonna go hard at some point, but throwing a hook like that after all i gave him is tap on the gloves flipped my switch badly. Unless he is knocked out at that time, no amount of retalitation is gonna be suffice.

I might be hard headed in this, but i know pretty damn well where i want to be end up in the future and not being deterred. But the thing most people missed is that i'm open to critique at large (as i said, i am a beginner and my eyes are not as good as some others people who have more experience), but i have specific vision of what i want to do atm. I did say countless times that right now i'm focus on this and that, the other thing i will try it in the future. I never outright dismissed anyone's critiques, i just say "ok thanks, but that's not what i aim in the present". You'd be surprise on how many people mad at just because i don't take their critiques.

For the last part, the reason i said it is lazy defense even though i only have so much training because i often get beat while using it. It is from personal experiences. Also, i never unwilling to not try other things suggested by other poster however, like i try more lateral movement and other stuffs (even high guard after a discussion with Sinister for later on) but apparently a lot of people clouded by the numerous hands up - type arguments in my threads. Which made people think like that a lot. I never told people off, except when they annoyed me badly with their style of critiques, which happened like on a daily basis with my threads.

I understand your concerns, and i'm grateful that you expressed it in such a nice manners, but you also need to see my POV too. I hope this wall of texts explained why i act like that. I did thank him at my other post to show at least my gratitude to him, but the way he gave his critiques rubbed me the wrong way, and i did say that i welcome him to drop more critiques in the future, just don't do it like that. That's all i'm asking.

[SummerStriker]

I kind of want Nuke to post a video of himself doing Hindu squats so he can suffer through the barrage of people yelling "knees behind your toes!"

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by SummerStriker

I kind of want Nuke to post a video of himself doing Hindu squats so he can suffer through the barrage of people yelling "knees behind your toes!"

Too bad i know how to do Hindu squats properly

[Nuclearlandmine]

Seriously, guys, let's get this thread back on track....I don't want any arguments, please. It is tiring my brain out.

[CosItsFun]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

Seriously, guys, let's get this thread back on track....I don't want any arguments, please. It is tiring my brain out.

I'm probably going to sound like an internet pedo, but roughly how old are you and how long have you been training?

I ask because I'm 16 and I've been training for like 6 months, and I want to kind of compare my stand up to yours, to know if I'm terrible, decent or (against all odds) maybe even good :p

You seem like a really smart fighter, and I think you'll be dangerous once you apply your ideas. I'd kill for your evasion skills lool

[Nuclearlandmine]

Originally Posted by CosItsFun

I'm probably going to sound like an internet pedo, but roughly how old are you and how long have you been training?

I ask because I'm 16 and I've been training for like 6 months, and I want to kind of compare my stand up to yours, to know if I'm terrible, decent or (against all odds) maybe even good :p

You seem like a really smart fighter, and I think you'll be dangerous once you apply your ideas. I'd kill for your evasion skills lool

Until i get rid of my herky-jerky reactions to punch, everything is still a work-in-process, but thanks for your words man Roughly about 6 months now, however if i included all the on and off time before now it is roughly a year or so.

I'm 19, and pushing 20 at the end of this year

[CosItsFun]

Originally Posted by Nuclearlandmine

Until i get rid of my herky-jerky reactions to punch, everything is still a work-in-process, but thanks for your words man Roughly about 6 months now, however if i included all the on and off time before now it is roughly a year or so.

I'm 19, and pushing 20 at the end of this year

Yeahhh, but everything comes with practice right. Btw If that's your fighting style carry on practising it, after all it is sparring and not a life or death competition :p It's where your meant to iron out the wrinkles, right?
You seem pretty adept for that much practice, be good to see how you develop (andddd again that sounds really internet pedo-eyy)