What are your favorite warm ups?

[Uchi Mata]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

What if they can't? What if they're working a 9-5 with a family and the gym is their only place to prepare themselves? They have every justification in wanting a warmup that provides conditioning.

I'm all for 20 minutes of warmup/conditioning, 30 minutes of technique/drilling/situational sparring and 30 minutes of free rolling + open mat for the guys who want.

I guess I'm a little bit anal about lowering the bar for the pudgy/lazy/unmotivated guys who don't want to break a sweat and forcing everyone else to go run at the crack of dawn or join another gym for conditioning purposes.

If that was the status quo I think we'd see the TMA beer bellyification of bjj.

Unlike most TMAs, BJJ sparring is more intense of a workout than warm ups are likely to be. Frankly, if you're drilling right you should be getting a pretty good workout from doing that. I work plenty more hours than 9-5, and I have a family at home, but leading up to a tournament I can always find the time to get extra cardio/weights in, even if that means doing it before or after going to BJJ or perhaps staying extra long at the gym. My point is that when I'm not competing, I don't want to waste time doing gym style exercises when I'm paying to learn BJJ. I don't need a personal trainer, I need a BJJ coach to teach me BJJ.

Frankly, if just doing BJJ class 4x a week isn't helping you lose weight, then you're doing it wrong. Anyone who rolls every round and drills hard should get a better workout than they would from 45 minutes of running and calisthenics. And even better, you're improving at your sport at the same time.

From your breakdown you're talking about class being ~1.5 hours, which I imagine is pretty normal. Now, if you're doing calisthenics for 20 minutes of that every class, that's almost 1/4 of your BJJ time relegated to exercises that don't actually improve your BJJ (overall fitness perhaps yes, BJJ skills no). Why not spend that time doing BJJ related drills to warm up? No one should get hurt in a cooperative drill. I bet if you took two people for a year and one spent 25% of their class time on drills and the other spent that time on calisthenics, the first guy would be in roughly equal shape but noticeably better at BJJ than the second. I'm not trying to be the best at working out here!

[snoop dogg]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

What if they can't? What if they're working a 9-5 with a family and the gym is their only place to prepare themselves? They have every justification in wanting a warmup that provides conditioning.

I'm all for 20 minutes of warmup/conditioning, 30 minutes of technique/drilling/situational sparring and 30 minutes of free rolling + open mat for the guys who want.

I guess I'm a little bit anal about lowering the bar for the pudgy/lazy/unmotivated guys who don't want to break a sweat and forcing everyone else to go run at the crack of dawn or join another gym for conditioning purposes.

If that was the status quo I think we'd see the TMA beer bellyification of bjj.

exactly. my school provides a regular class. 10 min warm up. just light warm up (ahrimps, army crawls,stretching) drilling thena 30 min roll.

then once a month there are tryouts for the competition class. If you make it we do conditioning. alot of drilling. situational training and rolling. I feel that all schools should have a competition class that require tryouts.

[deadlizard]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

What if they can't? What if they're working a 9-5 with a family and the gym is their only place to prepare themselves? They have every justification in wanting a warmup that provides conditioning.

I'm all for 20 minutes of warmup/conditioning, 30 minutes of technique/drilling/situational sparring and 30 minutes of free rolling + open mat for the guys who want.

I guess I'm a little bit anal about lowering the bar for the pudgy/lazy/unmotivated guys who don't want to break a sweat and forcing everyone else to go run at the crack of dawn or join another gym for conditioning purposes.

If that was the status quo I think we'd see the TMA beer bellyification of bjj.

Seriously, who works 9-5 anymore? It's more like 7-7 now a days.

[snoop dogg]

Originally Posted by deadlizard

Seriously, who works 9-5 anymore? It's more like 7-7 now a days.

I know quite a few people who work 9-5s. mainly jobs that require manual labor

[GJJNY]

Originally Posted by Uchi Mata

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I see your point, I guess I feel it's harder to fake 20 sprawls than it is to conserve energy doing armbars for a x amount of time. But, to each their own.

Originally Posted by snoop dogg

exactly. my school provides a regular class. 10 min warm up. just light warm up (ahrimps, army crawls,stretching) drilling thena 30 min roll.

then once a month there are tryouts for the competition class. If you make it we do conditioning. alot of drilling. situational training and rolling. I feel that all schools should have a competition class that require tryouts.

The CA guys get it

And what if your school, like mine, just does a 'competition class' as you described it.

Originally Posted by deadlizard

Seriously, who works 9-5 anymore? It's more like 7-7 now a days.

Shit, tell me about it. I'm so tired at the end of the day I don't even want to go to jiujitsu, much less wake up early to run or go lift. Office life sucks, can't wait to get back out of the rat race.

[snoop dogg]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

The CA guys get it

And what if your school, like mine, just does a 'competition class' as you described it.

what do you mean?

[GJJNY]

Originally Posted by snoop dogg

what do you mean?

Like not having a 'easy class', just the meat grinder; sink or swim.

[snoop dogg]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

Like not having a 'easy class', just the meat grinder; sink or swim.

oh, hell yeah. if anything it brings the team closer together and makes them tougher. where is your academy?

[Uchi Mata]

Originally Posted by GJJNY

I see your point, I guess I feel it's harder to fake 20 sprawls than it is to conserve energy doing armbars for a x amount of time. But, to each their own.

Sprawls are a great warmup/conditioning drill. I like TD drills, positional drills, etc. Anything that relates to BJJ. I guess a lot of it is how the class approaches drilling...is it laid back, or is it intense and tiring? I've done standing closed guard breaks (stand, break closed guard, go back down for the guy to re-close, repeat) for a few minutes that are harder than any chop and drops or burpee series I've ever been put through. I'm definitely not against conditioning in class and hard workouts, I'd just rather do double legs back and forth at high speed than body weight squats or hindu pushups. Plus, if you want to fake it rather than push yourself to improve, then you're cheating yourself and there's nothing any instructor can do with you until you change your mindset (2nd person plural 'you', not you specifically).

[Connection Rio]

I have been doing these for years... along with a number of others that fit directly into sport specific drills going hand in hand with training/competing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmZb...ailpage#t=211s