The Ultimate Russian Arm Tie (2 on 1) thread

[Onq]

Originally Posted by Shemhazai

I think I understand. This is basically the game I've been trying to play - the uchi mata (with an ankle pick finish) is my go-to when I get him parallel, but I've been unsure about the osoto. I'll make sure to start drilling it again. You are not changing your grips when you go to the osoto? Just holding the 2 on 1?

Also, I'm not sure what you meant about grabbing the leg vs. tani otoshi. Maybe I'd understand if I was better at judo.

I much appreciate the tips, BTW.

I play sambo and Kodokan judo rules- leg attacks allowed.
I keep my stance lower, playing attention on the footwork of the opponent.
With lower stance, its more difficult for him to go for taniotoshi and if he does, he need to go for a deep one.
As soon as he reaches with his leg, I grab it, before it even touches the ground and proceed with ankle pick.
Uchimata- I just go for it and if he doesnt fall immediately, I do ken- ken uchimata.
Regarding the osoto- in face to face position you have the option to go for both sides. Usually people go for the side of the trapped arm and in case of failure, they can also do makikomi. I use both sides, depending on both our positions. For the rear leg osoto, you need to be very close and tight or drop levels.
In case the opponent move his rear leg further back, you can go for ouchigari immediately.

[Shemhazai]

I see. It was the rear leg osoto that I was referring to, BTW. I do it more as a leg block, collapsing his knee inward, than an actual throw/reap. Thanks again for the tips!

[Onq]

I didnt see any 2 on 1 counter post, though

[deadlizard]

Originally Posted by Onq

I didnt see any 2 on 1 counter post, though

Maintaining good wrist control on your opponent and drive your head into your opponent's chin. Basically break his posture so he can't shoot or throw you.

Satiev did some nice counter in the highlight on post #39.

[Onq]

Originally Posted by deadlizard

Maintaining good wrist control on your opponent and drive your head into your opponent's chin. Basically break his posture so he can't shoot or throw you.

Satiev did some nice counter in the highlight on post #39.

I mean counter throws
In position face to face, I normally reach down and grab his belt with my trapped arm, while reaching with my free hand around his waist or back (depends on his height), grabbing his belt. Then lifting up and throwing with a windmill

[deadlizard]

Originally Posted by Onq

I mean counter throws
In position face to face, I normally reach down and grab his belt with my trapped arm, while reaching with my free hand around his waist or back (depends on his height), grabbing his belt. Then lifting up and throwing with a windmill

Hmm... never thought about that with a Gi on.

Do you have videos demostrating this move? Is it called anything?

[Onq]

Originally Posted by deadlizard

Hmm... never thought about that with a Gi on.

Do you have videos demostrating this move? Is it called anything?

In sambo you dont name every variation of a throw as a different technic. You name the motion- twist, turn over and etc.
I believe there are at least 10 throws with different names in judo, that are translated only as windmill in sambo.
Here is a video, showing variations that could be executed from 2 on 1 as a counter attack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-cTR7EXqhk

In case the opponent is trapping the arm across his chest and stands paralel, you could grab his lapel and execute taiotoshi...

[Onq]

Originally Posted by deadlizard

Do you have videos demostrating this move?

Look at this video and imagine if the blue guy trapped the red guy's left arm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37SK...feature=relmfu

[deadlizard]

If I understand you correctly, this would seem like a pretty tough counter throw...

[Onq]

Originally Posted by deadlizard

If I understand you correctly, this would seem like a pretty tough counter throw...

Quite easy actually- the blue guy's left hand will be between both of you, which makes it very easy to reach with your right behind his back/ weist and grab the belt.
From there you just need to follow the video.
You have to use your imagination a bit, because I really doubt you will find "sambo 2 on 1 counter throws" in youtube...