3 exercises that should be in every fighters regimen ???

[BangWhosNxt]

Originally Posted by Patrick F Carey

no offense but I can tell don't train with high level jiujitsu guys, benching will you get armbarred in seconds. All I have to do to maintain my mount is push my hips forward and any attempt to bench press me has lost all power

I can tell you don't bench press if you're just using your arms. It's ridiculous to think you wouldn't use leg and hip drive along with your arms to get someone off of you.

Plus, don't take my post out of context. I was referring to a guy that can bench 500lbs with no jiujitsu training. I've rolled with guys much stronger than me with less technique and they can easily get me off with using little to no technique. Whether you want to chalk that up to me not being advanced enough to deal with the strength, that's all you, but there are guys out there and it's largely based on them being built like a barrell that don't need much technique if they're freakishly strong.

[superreise]

Originally Posted by lts5025

Soreness = effectiveness

clearly dont listen to this guy. people are obsessed with thinking that soreness is great sign that your workout has been done properly. in terms of gaining muscles soreness is a great sign yeah but in terms of just putting on PURE STRENGTH, aching isnt necessary. (yes you can get stronger without putting on massive muscles).

as a fighter your not going to want to be putting on beach muscles, you will want to be close to natural weight but be as strong as possible, compound movements with longer breaks between sets, higher weight and lower reps.

i would recommend , deadlifting, squats, clean and press, short distance sprints, box jumps and bent over barbell rows.

i came across a video earlier today actually which was basically a fitness gury who has a youtube channel dedicated to answering questions like yours. a kid sent in a question asking him about gaining strength without the bulk for playing lacrosse. ill link you the video. he puts some real helpful stuff up on his youtube page.

[squat]

Originally Posted by superreise

clearly dont listen to this guy. people are obsessed with thinking that soreness is great sign that your workout has been done properly. in terms of gaining muscles soreness is a great sign yeah but in terms of just putting on PURE STRENGTH, aching isnt necessary. (yes you can get stronger without putting on massive muscles).

as a fighter your not going to want to be putting on beach muscles, you will want to be close to natural weight but be as strong as possible, compound movements with longer breaks between sets, higher weight and lower reps.

i would recommend , deadlifting, squats, clean and press, short distance sprints, box jumps and bent over barbell rows.

i came across a video earlier today actually which was basically a fitness gury who has a youtube channel dedicated to answering questions like yours. a kid sent in a question asking him about gaining strength without the bulk for playing lacrosse. ill link you the video. he puts some real helpful stuff up on his youtube page.

He was being sarcastic.

[MAAddict]

Originally Posted by Oblivian

If I were to switch over to MMA, I probably wouldn't include deadlift and I definitely wouldn't include bench.

Which is why I would never do MMA. I can't bear the though of abandoning my three beloved children

[Brock2026]

Originally Posted by DrBdan

I'm sure I could just as easily list off fighters that don't do plyo push-ups and still hit incredibly hard if I cared to do a bit of research. And saying that fighters "seem" to be slow and less powerful is a terrible argument. I could just as easily say they "seem" stronger and faster to me. How something "seems" doesn't prove anything.

Regardless, my point more than anything is that if you are looking at strengthening your arms/chest/shoulders to improve your punching power you are looking in the wrong place. It might help a bit a but you will get much better results from working on technique and lower body strength and power.



It could have a place but if we are talking about training economy for someone with a busy schedule they definitely wouldn't be taking the place of some more basic barbell movements like bench, press, or push press.

I am not against using weights as a strength and power builder, I was just saying that bodyweight exercises can be used as well if done correctly just like weight lifting. The only reason I was pushing for examples like I gave was to try put my point across. Either way I know they both work and you should do what works for you and mix it up every now and then.

[BrizzoBoi]

Lifting for me has always had more carryover in grappling than in striking. Deadlifts and cleans were awesome for me with wrestling and BJJ, mostly because of the grip strength. Having a grip advantage is great, and is equally frustrating when you're at the disadvantage.

Honestly though, lifting weight's in general is not necessary to be a great fighter. Not to say it doesn't help because it does, but it's nothing compared to drilling techniques, working on execution of techniques, and timing of your moves.

[squat]

Originally Posted by Brock2026

power builder

http://bodybuilding.fitness.com/thre...-Powerbuilding

If this is what you're referring to, then your advice is probably bad advice.

For the record, I don't agree with you. I also don't agree with "do what works for you". Assuming you have a normal, healthy body, the term "do what works for you" is stupid. What works best for others will work best for you, all humans work the same and more or less, respond the same to exercise/physical activity. There are things that work, things that don't work as well, and things that don't work at all. Everyone who has a normal, healthy body; should be doing the things that work the best. And those things aren't debatable. Trial and error has shown us what they are: women, eating, sleeping, and smoking weed.

[Brock2026]

Originally Posted by squat

http://bodybuilding.fitness.com/thre...-Powerbuilding

If this is what you're referring to, then your advice is probably bad advice.

For the record, I don't agree with you. I also don't agree with "do what works for you". Assuming you have a normal, healthy body, the term "do what works for you" is stupid. What works best for others will work best for you, all humans work the same and more or less, respond the same to exercise/physical activity. There are things that work, things that don't work as well, and things that don't work at all. Everyone who has a normal, healthy body; should be doing the things that work the best. And those things aren't debatable. Trial and error has shown us what they are: women, eating, sleeping, and smoking weed.

No I am not referring to that. I know that bodyweight, free weights, machines and all that work. They all work if you know how to use those methods. When I say do what works for you I mean do what you want to do, if its not working, fix it or change it.

[JauntyAngle]

Originally Posted by QTdd

Are we talking about real ahtletes or phony athletes who think they have talent because they eat a lot of eggs?

I'm talking about talented athletes and nobody can claim to be one without at least easily doing two of the things I mentioned.

Unless you're Shaq, then nevermind.

Oh, come off it. There are surely going to be thousands and thousands of high level professional sportsman who would have at least a little trouble with some of those exercises. This is ridiculous and arbitrary.

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by JauntyAngle

Oh, come off it. There are surely going to be thousands and thousands of high level professional sportsman who would have at least a little trouble with some of those exercises. This is ridiculous and arbitrary.

I disagree. Repeatedly practicing the same parlour tricks is the best way to improve athletic performance. Progressive overload? Bah, what's needed to be a great athlete is mastering skills that impress people who haven't exercised since before the Berlin wall fell.