Originally Posted by yodsaenkla
Where are Carlson Gracie located these days? They used to be in Hamersmith but they moved, to be honest I've trained at both I would recommend Carlson if training for competing and definitely recreation.
Theyve moved to Goldhawk road station (about a 5-7 min walk from there)
Originally Posted by barmyone45
I trained there briefly and my experiences were in line with most of the people who posted in this thread and that retarded youtube video.
Paul Ivens is a knowledgeable grappling coach but generally it seems like a rough house camp with an emphasis on hard sparring over technique.
They had success in early MMA having coaches with a good wrestling pedigree whilst most UK based came from traditional martial arts but most other gyms are catching up with that and advancing in other areas.
-Good facilities, the best youll get in Europe for MMA.
-Youre as good as the members you are sparring with, they have a lot of pros that you can benefit from.
-They have decent wrestling classes (Unless youre willing to travel to East London where Legion Wrestling has world class coaching).
The main reason Shootfighters has dick members like that is due to the instructors themselves, or so ive been told, are dicks themselves.
Ive heard plenty a story about how theyve instigated fights with other instructors (within the gym) causing instructors to leave.
During a kids class an instructor yelled at an 8 year old, telling him that his father was an 'idiot' for some unknown reason.
Another example, a personal friend of mine (very good boxer who knows nothing of mma) was told to spar with one of their big named fighters who absolutely got tooled, next thing you know one of the main instructors grabs him, yelling at him for not being more rounded (this was his first class in an mma gym).
Ive also heard from plenty of individuals that they wont take interest in you unless youve become a pro, otherwise youre barely on the sidelines and youre not a priority at all.
Edit: Like another poster mentioned, go check out Carlson Gracie. Unlike LS, its a really good environment, everyones friendly and in some respects the teaching is better although they dont have as good a facility.