Petition for Texas secession hits White House response mark

[brnforce]

Originally Posted by CSJYokul

Well If we're going to ignore the fact that most Texans don't want to secede and haggle over the terms of removing the federal government's business from that of Texas, I'd like to point out that before Texas leaves, they're going to have to return U.S. property that currently resides within it's borders.

Meaning they're going to have to do the following.

Pay off their share of the national deficit,

Return all Gulf oil leases operated by companies based out of Texas to be re-bid by American companies until such treaties may be made to agree upon terms of trade with the Republic of Texas.

Pay restitution for all national lands located within it's borders including military bases and National Parks and all buildings residing upon those lands.

Relinquish control of U.S. Strategic interests at the refineries and ports, all weapons and hardware in National Guard Armories and military bases.

Provide appropriate restitution for federal monies spent on the national highway system where it resides within their borders.

If they did all that, I might be inclined to listen to an argument as to why they should be allowed to peaceably secede.

Thank you!!! Some people think that they would just take over as is.

[Santi Claus]

Originally Posted by BYENDREY

I swear you're borderline retarded. I'm not even going to waste my time explaining the nuances of our Education system and how immigration impacts it. You wouldn't understand and it doesn't serve your agenda. Regardless Texas produces some of the smartest people in the country and is still in the middle of the pact in terms of performance in the country.

Your entire argument for why Texas would fail is that we wouldn't have anything more than small arms to fight with and the drug cartels would take over. Do you even realize Texas has one of the biggest defense industries in the country as well as being one of the most patriotic states? That's not even mentioning our economy is strong enough that we could pretty much buy anything we wanted in terms of defense but you think we'll go bankrupt according to one of your other post which shows your ignorance. Defense contractors sell armaments to countries all over the world why wouldn't they sell to Texas? So we'll have a well armed force of patriotic citizens more than willing to secure a border and won't have the Feds telling us we're being inhumane or violating somebody’s civil liberties but you think we will be taken over?

You must be smoking that good shit in Cali or something because you're acting like a complete dumb ass right now and in other threads I've seen you in.

You didn't even read his post, did you?

[CSJYokul**]

Originally Posted by brnforce

Thank you!!! Some people think that they would just take over as is.

I'm willing to bet the farm that without those things listed. They'd no longer be as financially solvent. Not to mention what it would cost to provide a state border guard once the feds stop picking up the tab. We don't want America awash with undocumented Texans. Yuck.

[TheMMAn]

Originally Posted by brnforce

Texans are proving that their education system is horrible in this thread. All military tech would be pulled out of Texas if they wish to secede. If they try to steal that tech from the US by not allowing them to take it then the US will go to war with Texas. That would be one of the quickest wars in history.

So Texas would only have the arms that the population currently has and tries to buy.

Companies like Lockheed Martin are private companies that operate on Government contracts (military, aerospace, IT, etc) and have patent collections that would make most developed nations around the world jealous. Even if companies like LM pulled out of Texas (and they would be crazy not to) and relocated to GA, CA, or CO, then the infrastructure would still be there.

If that failed, imagine that it would easily be able to afford modern weapons for sale from other countries with all that gas and oil money.

I am not a proponent of succession because of the reasons already stated here (the people living there that do not want to participate, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, etc), but i find it laughable that you guys believe that Texas couldn't stand on it's own with good leaders....

[BYENDREY]

Originally Posted by brnforce

Lol, I guess Texas builds the egos big but the penis short. My location is displayed idiot. .

Why are you so interested in penis? I know where you're from it's the same state as my brother in law. Saying you must be smoking shit from cali doesn't mean you have to be from there. I think I need crayons to communicate with you.

Originally Posted by brnforce

Please explain how a newly independent Texas would defend itself against a rogue organization that easily gets around the US and Mexican government.

For starters a newly independent Texas wouldn't necessarily have to fight with it's hands behind it's back like the United States does. Nothing stopping us from simply assassinating cartel leaders and getting brutal at the border. If the cartels pose a threat it's in the form of political bribes they could theoretically buy our politicians but that has nothing to do with them using tanks as you suggested but then again you’re a complete idiot.

[CSJYokul**]

How much Oil and Gas does Texas have without America allowing them to lease and drill in their territorial waters in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Santi Claus]

Originally Posted by CSJYokul

How much Oil and Gas does Texas have without America allowing them to lease and drill in their territorial waters in the Gulf of Mexico?

How are they going to make up the 200 plus billion they receive annually from the federal government with no income tax?

[brnforce]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

Companies like Lockheed Martin are private companies that operate on Government contracts (military, aerospace, IT, etc) and have patent collections that would make most developed nations around the world jealous. Even if companies like LM pulled out of Texas (and they would be crazy not to) and relocated to GA, CA, or CO, then the infrastructure would still be there.

If that failed, imagine that it would easily be able to afford modern weapons for sale from other countries with all that gas and oil money.

I am not a proponent of succession because of the reasons already stated here (the people living there that do not want to participate, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, etc), but i find it laughable that you guys believe that Texas couldn't stand on it's own with good leaders....

It would all depend on how cordial they were with Mexico and the US. Without the trade routes in the gulf Texas couldn't get any supplies. It wouldn't be difficult to see the US as not exactly being friendly with the brat that would be Texas.

As for those independent companies it also wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the US to not allow them to deal with Texas (via exclusivity contracts). They would be expensive, but a spiteful Motherland would definitely pay a little extra to try to get the brat to come back home.

I also understand that it won't happen (them seceding). This is just a bunch of whiney, racist red-necks that are mad that Romney lost.

[livingdeadmoose]

As a native Texan, I do not want this to happen.

[brnforce]

Originally Posted by BYENDREY

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So you would send people into Mexico and assassinate a Mexican citizen? Then what would you idiots do when the Mexican Army invades?