New gym, gym bully?

[Judo Thai Boxer]

Originally Posted by seatea

Off topic so I do apologize, but just how do you do tomoe-nage in no-gi? It's a throw I'm working on in judo and am interested in no-gi applications.

Tbh it's not too useful because if they manage to sprawl then you're on your back. The way we did it was from a front head lock, kind of arm-in guillotine but did it as a counter to a single leg. I didn't really see the point because it's easier to just defend the single but it's quite good for a last resort if you're pretty sure you're going down.

I've done it before from over unders where I pushed up with my stronger arm from beneath the arm pit and kept them close with my other arm. It's all personal preference like with anything in Judo.

[Einarr]

Originally Posted by Judo Thai Boxer

we're drilling tome nage (you fall back and kind of do a butterfly sweep with one leg for those who've never heard of it)

That's Sumi Gaeshi, not Tomoe Nage.

Originally Posted by seatea

Off topic so I do apologize, but just how do you do tomoe-nage in no-gi? It's a throw I'm working on in judo and am interested in no-gi applications.

Tomoe Nage doesn't really work without a gi, but Sumi Gaeshi does - I like to snap down into a front headlock or do it with over/under-hooks. It works well from a Russian 2-on-1 grip too.

[Judo Thai Boxer]

Originally Posted by Einarr

That's Sumi Gaeshi, not Tomoe Nage.



Tomoe Nage doesn't really work without a gi, but Sumi Gaeshi does - I like to snap down into a front headlock or do it with over/under-hooks. It works well from a Russian 2-on-1 grip too.

Yeah, my bad. Got mixed up since they're similar.

Anywhere you can get a lot of drive with your arms and control works really.

[doyourkegles22]

I had some MMA wannabe come to our gym, he did exactly what you said. After rolling with him twice, I decided I was going full bore on the 3rd time we roll together.

We matched up for the 3rd time and I went into competition mode. I knew my stand up was way better...

So we gripped up and I gave him one of my hardest Osoto Garis to date! He landed so hard, with me on top, that his head bounced off the floor and hit me in the chest.

I feel bad now because he never came back.

FYI the same guy would roll his gi sleeves up to prevent us from getting grips....

[jujijimmy]

Avoid him, if hes resisting when drilling then hes no use to you. tell him straight.

[DoctorTaco]

Originally Posted by Judo Thai Boxer

Hi guys, don't normally post in the grappling forum but I've recently started no-gi training at an MMA gym and I've got a little story.

Alright, so I've been to maybe six sessions or so at this gym and I'm struggling a little compared to what I'm used to considering Judo isn't as focused on groundwork as an MMA gym and a lot of what I'd normally do is impossible without the gi.

Nevertheless, I'm hanging with the blue belts at the gym and some of the amateur and pro fighters. Then one session I get paired up with this pro fighter and we're drilling tome nage (you fall back and kind of do a butterfly sweep with one leg for those who've never heard of it), so we're drilling this and I'm going smooth and easy whereas he's getting harder and he's resisting a lot whereas I'm going over for him, like you should.

Anyway, then he starts cranking the choke from the front headlock after the tomenage, no big deal he's just practising it. So I start resisting a little but still giving him the choke since we're just drilling it. Then when it's my turn he starts sprawling on me so I go for a guillotine then let him pass, I'm just thinking here 'well done, you defended a 30% guillotine'. Also, I don't want to draw attention to myself with it being a new gym and all.

So then this goes on for a while and I'm going like 50%, if that and then when he's in mount he goes from S guard to an armbar and I'm just stacking and not hopping round thinking he'll let go since there's no way he's going to get it. Nope he's still trying, then the coach comes over and tells me to walk round so I do and I'm out. Then his turn comes again and he goes for the juji again and I'm on my back just holding my bicep stopping him from getting it, getting sick because I don't want to act up at a new gym and start going 100% like he is. Then this guy starts banging his leg off my head trying to get me to loosen my grip and I'm just thinking wtf. At this point the coach is over and breaks the guy's grip and goes to him 'this is your one warning, don't do that' looking pissed.

We drill more stuff and I come to realise he's just like that so I don't bother resisting and just go a bit harder when it's my turn so I can get him down but keeping the pace low, but the guy's still going for it hard.

So I'm wondering is it going to be acceptable for me to go harder when he does from now on? The instructor gave me a quick word saying 'we've always had bother with him' or something like that so I'm presuming I now have carte blanche when I'm rolling with him from now on?

Also, what's the best way to deal with people like this?

CLIFFS

Guy keeps going harder while drilling techniques
Dirty techniques
Coach gets pissed
Keeps doing it but not quite as much
What do I do from now on?

Compliment him on how good he is, how strong and solid his technique is.

Sarcasm cuts deeper than any calf slicer

[DoctorTaco]

Originally Posted by doyourkegles22

I had some MMA wannabe come to our gym, he did exactly what you said. After rolling with him twice, I decided I was going full bore on the 3rd time we roll together.

We matched up for the 3rd time and I went into competition mode. I knew my stand up was way better...

So we gripped up and I gave him one of my hardest Osoto Garis to date! He landed so hard, with me on top, that his head bounced off the floor and hit me in the chest.

I feel bad now because he never came back.

FYI the same guy would roll his gi sleeves up to prevent us from getting grips....

Roll up his gi sleeves? Psh. Rookie move. I just tore mine off.

[judoyellow1**]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI

Nice

[fozzit]

much respect to your coach for being aware... I visited a gym and got cross faced to the point where i had a bloody mouth and busted lips and the coaches didnt say anything. I told the guy I was done with him and I was the asshole?!??!?!

So yeah, sounds like a good gym if your coach there is looking out for safety

[esteven]

If you're rolling, then I agree; go as hard as he does. But if it's just drilling, then turning it into free rolling defeats the purpose of drilling.