Official 2012/13 EPL discussion v5

[GracieMMABarra]

Originally Posted by Mcx

it's all pool fans can do since they're an irrelevant force in football now

And yet that irrelevant force drives Fergie still to this day. 5 is one of the reasons he wakes up and manages "your" ship.

[hoonosewot88]

Originally Posted by Noblet10

SAF's achievements with Aberdeen were arguably the greatest of his career. He had United's cash helping him with his achievements in the Premier League. Now, does it mean it's not impressive? No, they are impressive. The thing is he isn't the only manager that should be mentioned for best of all time in England. Paisley must be in that conversation.

Mcx- Liverpool actually won something last season. United can't really say the same. Everyone knows Liverpool are in a rebuilding phase much like the majority of English football.

United spent less in the 90s than Liverpool did. By a big margin as well (75.6 mill to £46.3 mill). They spent more in the 00s, but their net spend from 1990-2011 has only been £9 mill more than Liverpool, and their gross spend has been £75 million less.

Uniteds biggest period of success (the 90s), came from an excellent youth policy and shrewd signings, not big money signings.

[JonKunDo]

They made a fair few big signings in the 90's though, Andy Cole, Yorke, Kanchelkis, Stam and alike were big money.

But as much as I hate Fergie and don't know a massive amount about football historically, you'd have to say that the level of media, financial and players rights these days makes the job a million times harder than it used to be. So based on that, I'd say he's at least as good as anyone there's been before.

[blokeybloke]

Originally Posted by UltraMagnus

You meanlike breaking the old firm with Aberdeen and winning the league 3 times 2 of them back to back.

4 scottish cups incl 3 in a row, and a scottish league cup

Uefa cup winners cup, Uefa super cup

Thats punching well above your weight.

as is winning the first division with st mirren.

As for the CL thing. Like I said only a hadfull of managers have won it more than 2 times, same with clubs. So say what you want about only winning it twice but the numbers actually puts him in an elite bracket of managers.

I cant believe I am defending Fergie. I dont really like the guy at all. Shows how much people are letting personal feelings cloud judgement when it gets to the point where I even feel that is getting a bit silly.

I've said countless times that his achievements at Aberdeen were his greatest. I've also said his longevity at the top is unparalled. He's also had around 5x the amount of time to win his 2CL's than the other 2CL winning Managers had & freely admits to underachieving in Europe. So yeah, on the one hand its right he gets respect for his longevity that has seen him outlast the other 2 CL winning Managers by eons ... BUT ... its also only right to note that all despite all that extra time he's still level with them.

Winning the CL with 2 different Teams IS another feather in his cap but you'll never convince me that he shouldn't have won more with the resources at his disposal.

Fergie is the Rolling Stones to Paisley's Beatles, one may have outlasted the other by a Country mile but neither of his CLwinning Teams could hold a light to the pure class of Paisleys side ... Paisleys side would have beat last years Barca, imo. They were SO dominant & an absolute pleasure to watch!

My point has always been that he's a great Manager but he isn't the best. He's up there though ...........

I doubt Utd will win another CL whilst he's got De Gea between the sticks, he's signed some right flappers in his time. Thats possibly whats cost him more CL's ...

[Sexy]

Giroud is not good.
Arsenal have a weird squad, imo.

[Zer]

^ on cue, Giroud scores

[Sexy]

Giroud, 1-0 to Arsenal.

[Sexy]

[Sexy]

Pretty good:

[Zer]

2-0

Fulham defence not bothered