BJ "The Prodigy" Penn is the true GOAT

[Lostcow]

Originally Posted by D10

First off, let me start by saying that I dont agree that a fighter should be judged by his results, in my opinion, fighters (or anyone for that matter) should be judged by their intentions.

And when you look at it that way, theres no one more badass than the peoples champ, BJ Penn.

Loved everywhered, respected by the P4P King as the true number 1, and overall biggest balls in the UFC

Wanderley is a close second.

Firstly, do you agree with my criteria ?
Secondly, even if you dont agree with the criteria, under it, who is your GOAT ?

This is one of the most masterfully crafted troll posts I have ever seen.

My hat goes off to you sir.

[Contempt]

Originally Posted by Tachy

If you are new you wouldn't know him

He was a Penn loving mod whowould defend him until the end of time.


He lost it after Penn lost, told a poster he would have non-consensual intercourse with his mother, was de-modded and banned in a fizzle of glory days later

LOL Thanks. Always wondered what happened to that tool . Not remotely surprised

[Contempt]

Originally Posted by TheRassler

definitely the main reason why there aren't many superfights in the UFC today is because bj isn't the champion.

bj would've gladly accepted a superfight with anderson if he was still champ faster than gsp tapped to serra.

Yeah and Anderson whould have stomped him even worse than GSP did and that was a total beatdown as it was. The UFC would never have signed that fight.

As much as people love to kiss BJs ass for fighting at WW; he only did it because he is lazy and doesnt like to train or cut weight. Of course he has lost most fights at WW as well.

[TheRassler]

Originally Posted by Contempt

Yeah and Anderson whould have stomped him even worse than GSP did and that was a total beatdown as it was. The UFC would never have signed that fight.

As much as people love to kiss BJs ass for fighting at WW; he only did it because he is lazy and doesnt like to train or cut weight. Of course he has lost most fights at WW as well.

the ufc would never sign that fight if BJ was the WW champ? are you kidding me? do you even understand the purpose of superfights? obviously, not. If you don't think a fight between any 2 UFC champions, who are 1 division apart that would not get signed, you're a complete moron.

He only fights at WW because he's lazy and doesn't like training or cutting weight? Nice assessment genius, he fights at higher weight classes because he's a real fucken fighter who isn't afraid to fight any fighter at any weight, unlike some "champion" at WW.

[ironfist05]

Still, looking at the wins on Penn's resume definately says more than the record itself
Din Thomas, Caol Uno, Jens Pulver, Matt Serra, Takanori Gomi, Matt Hughes, Rodrigo Gracie, Sean Sherk, Kenny Florian and Diego Sanchez are all pretty top levels of competition and very few fighters can claim to have that many high level wins

a motivated BJ is simply put, unstoppable and was arguably the #1 p4p fighter in his prime (fight matrix actually has him as the #6 fighter of all time, only behind Silva, GSP, Fedor, Hughes and Big Nog and of all the people on their top 25 fighters of all time list BJ has fought 6 of them)
plus Silva himself said he thought BJ was the best ever

[Contempt]

Originally Posted by TheRassler

the ufc would never sign that fight if BJ was the WW champ? are you kidding me? do you even understand the purpose of superfights? obviously, not. If you don't think a fight between any 2 UFC champions, who are 1 division apart that would not get signed, you're a complete moron.

He only fights at WW because he's lazy and doesn't like training or cutting weight? Nice assessment genius, he fights at higher weight classes because he's a real fucken fighter who isn't afraid to fight any fighter at any weight, unlike some "champion" at WW.

OK fine, you want to be insulting about it you little dipshit then I'll bite.

You never specified in your original post about which weight class he was still champion of. No, the UFC would never have signed that fight. BJ won a once off fight for the WW championship over six years ago and never defended his championship even once. You honestly believe that the UFC would sign a super fight between someone who has zero title defences and the champion of the weight class above him? You are delusional.

If you want to be picky, he's fighting at WW because he lost two fights in a row to the then lightweight champion and he knew he would never get a third shot so he skipped to another division similar to what Chael has just done at LHW. BJ is infamous for his lack of work ethic and coming into fights out of shape, would you even be crazy enough to try and deny this?

Taking fights outside of your natural weight class and losing nearly all of them isn't something to be proud of, it just shows he's not too bright to be honest. BJ WAS a great lightweight fighter before others in his division evolved past him but he's not remotely relevant at WW and would get a complete beatdown by most of the top 10 of that division.

[panther52]

Originally Posted by D10

First off, let me start by saying that I dont agree that a fighter should be judged by his results, in my opinion, fighters (or anyone for that matter) should be judged by their intentions.

And when you look at it that way, theres no one more badass than the peoples champ, BJ Penn.

Loved everywhered, respected by the P4P King as the true number 1, and overall biggest balls in the UFC

Wanderley is a close second.

Firstly, do you agree with my criteria ?
Secondly, even if you dont agree with the criteria, under it, who is your GOAT ?

by your criteria Sakuraba is the True GOAT. loved everywhere, respected by all and considered by Fedor, GSP, Bas Rutten and many others as the best they ever saw. Fought anyone anywhere and showed more heart than anyone in MMA history. And when you look at his fight list all you can say about it is HIS NUTS CLANG!

[warriorscomeout]

Originally Posted by TheRassler

the ufc would never sign that fight if BJ was the WW champ? are you kidding me? do you even understand the purpose of superfights? obviously, not. If you don't think a fight between any 2 UFC champions, who are 1 division apart that would not get signed, you're a complete moron.

He only fights at WW because he's lazy and doesn't like training or cutting weight? Nice assessment genius, he fights at higher weight classes because he's a real fucken fighter who isn't afraid to fight any fighter at any weight, unlike some "champion" at WW.

WTF do you mean by "champion"?

Do you know what using quotation marks mean?

Are you questioning the fact that GSP is the WW champion? Or that he has a streak of defences?

As far as BJ being 'a real fucken fighter':
a) he quit between 4 and 5
b) he tried to use lawyers to beat GSP, not his fists
c) he is rich as fuck by birth
d) his record at ww is godawful apart from the title fight
e) he was chased to ww by Frankie Edgar, a bantamweight

BJ is a goddamn prodigy but he's fighting two classes above the weight where he could be champ. Fighting at a higher weight class where you get beat up by bigger and taller fighters is not true warrior spirit, but laziness, especially when you complain about it afterwards - or have you forgotten Penn's tweets to Diaz.

[warriorscomeout]

Originally Posted by Contempt

LOL Thanks. Always wondered what happened to that tool . Not remotely surprised

I think TheRassler is PB.

[D10]

Originally Posted by warriorscomeout

WTF do you mean by "champion"?

Do you know what using quotation marks mean?

Are you questioning the fact that GSP is the WW champion? Or that he has a streak of defences?

As far as BJ being 'a real fucken fighter':
a) he quit between 4 and 5
b) he tried to use lawyers to beat GSP, not his fists
c) he is rich as fuck by birth
d) his record at ww is godawful apart from the title fight
e) he was chased to ww by Frankie Edgar, a bantamweight

BJ is a goddamn prodigy but he's fighting two classes above the weight where he could be champ. Fighting at a higher weight class where you get beat up by bigger and taller fighters is not true warrior spirit, but laziness, especially when you complain about it afterwards - or have you forgotten Penn's tweets to Diaz.

Thats the point, hes fighting, therefore GOAT