ShoBox: The Olympians, Nov 9th

[BluntTrauma21]

I call him Machine Gun Russell, his hands are super fast and it sounds like a machine gun when he flurries imo.

[Seano]

Originally Posted by consortium11

But that's simply guidance, while the regulations are the rules that govern boxing. If there is ever a dispute between them then the regulations overrule them much as legislation overrules case law and case law overrules obita dicta.

And the regulations state that for a round to be 10-8 there has to be a knockdown and the fighter has to win the round. It states that knockdowns deduct points and there are no provisions I can see which suddenly make them add points after the initial one.

To use your own quote:

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Now, I understand that you beleive that this only relates to point deductions for fouls but that's not what the regulations say:



If the referee calls a knockdown than the judges deduct points. That makes it a point deduction in the same way as a foul.

I'm positive I'm right on this one. I know I just posted this but again-

VIII. SCORING CRITERIA
The Ten-point must system shall be in effect. The winner of the round will receive ten points and the loser will receive nine points or less (minus any point deductions).
· 10/9 From a “close” to “moderate” margin
· 10/8 EXTREMELY DECISIVE (without a knockdown)
· 10/8 One knockdown
· 10/7 Two knockdowns
· 10/6 More than (2) two knockdowns
· 10/10 Cannot pick a winner (very rare)



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10-8 for a knockdown. It makes no distinction about how the rest of the round went. You score a KD, you win the roun- 10-8. Those are the official rules followed by the amendment-
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X. SCORING KNOCKDOWNS
A judge can only score a knockdown when the referee declares one.
· In most cases two (2) points may be awarded for the first knockdown in a round, for either fighter, one (1) point thereafter for each additional knockdown. However, in rare cases, good discretion must be used and a judge may award only one (1) point in cases where the boxer who suffered the knockdown clearly dominated the round.
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It clearly says the winner gets 10 points the loser 9 or less MINUS ANY POINT DEDUCTIONS.

[Seano]

If Chris Martin knocked this guy out, Russel better do the same.

[Seano]

boink

[Seano]

Ambulance siren is pretty classy huh?

[BluntTrauma21]

This will make my KOTY list.

[SippycupPIMP]

Castaneda did the Rashad Evans.

[SippycupPIMP]

Originally Posted by Seano

Ambulance siren is pretty classy huh?

That was kind of messed up, lol.

[consortium11]

Originally Posted by Seano

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10-8 for a knockdown. It makes no distinction about how the rest of the round went. You score a KD, you win the roun- 10-8. Those are the official rules followed by the amendment-
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They're not the rules though. That section is from the certification program, which is essentially extra training and explanation for ringside officials. In contrast the section I've mentioned multiple times (about a 10-8 requiring both winning the round and a knockdown) is from the regulatory document in the section entitled "Boxing Rules". In a perfect world there'd be no contradictions between the the two but in cases where there are the rules of boxing have to have supremacy.

Originally Posted by Seano

It clearly says the winner gets 10 points the loser 9 or less MINUS ANY POINT DEDUCTIONS.

I read the point deductions as applying to both the winner and loser... which logically they have to or things would be absurd. That is the winner of the round gets 10, the loser 9 or less and then point deductions are deducted.

Knockdowns are classed as point deductions in the same way as fouls that the referee has instructed the judges to make deductions for. To quote again:

Knockdowns

Judges shall deduct points for knockdowns only when they are called as such by the referee.

Point deductions

Judges may only deduct points for fouls when they are instructed to do so by the referee.

Therefore the winner gets 10 points minus any point deductions from knockdowns and fouls while the loser gets 9 or less points minus any point deductions from knockdowns and fouls.

[aduriz]

didn't someone get hurt ?