Jon fitch nutrition. 90 g protein?

[Ditz**]

Originally Posted by hardheart

Look Jon Fitch was considered by many to be one of the greatest WW of all-time, top 3, top 5 level of all-time WWs in MMA. Then all of the sudden he gets OUTWRESTLED by BJ Penn. What the fuck? Then he gets KO'd by a shot that he absorbed 100x against GSP. Then we find out before the BJ fight he went Vegan. Oh, ok. Then he comes back like a motherfucking savage and absolutely demolishes the guy that people expected to be the next big thing @ WW. And now we find out that he started eating animal products again so he strayed away from strict Veganism.

The evidence speaks clearly to me: Jon Fitch can not compete at the highest level while maintaining a Vegan diet.

Did going vegan cause him to get outwrestled by a notoriously bad wrestler? No, but it might have affected his strength enough to allow him to get out muscled, maneuvered, and controlled by BJ Penn.

Did going vegan cause him to get KO'd? No, but a shitty diet might have been one of the factors that led to the injury which he says caused him to get KO'd.

Did eating animal products cause him to be a beast against Eric Sliva? No, but it certainly didn't stop him.

If you want to compete in any sport with a vegan diet, aside from maybe long distance running, go read John Berardi's write up he did on his 8 month Vegan experiment. Look at that shit. Do you really pay that much attention to your diet? Do you? Do you have the time for that shit? No? Then Vegan diet + elite level isn't for you.

I absolutely agree. I think a vegan diet can work for a week or maybe even a month as a kind of detox or whatever, bring more variety to a diet. In the long run you will end up with deficiencies.

But I can understand that it is tempting to post the cliff notes

[CeleresVerraden]

he clearly says vegan chili. so either he lied or you missed that part.

[Lance Freimuth]

Originally Posted by CeleresVerraden

he clearly says vegan chili. so either he lied or you missed that part.

Ya got me, he did say Vegan chili, didn't catch that. At any rate, the guy still eats meat. Here he talks about how he doesn't think Veganism is a good idea, and he eats meat, but only 3 times a week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KRYBEVmes

This was at at the end of 09. I doubt he researched went Vegan, then decided to not go Vegan, and then decided to go back all within the span of a year.

I'm not even defending his diet. Some of his rationalizations for his diet are....suspicious...to say the best. But this whole idea of blaming a draw and a loss on a vegan diet is ridiculous.....he's not even close to a vegan.....

The guy is has never shown to be out of shape in a fight. He lost to a fluke 11 second KO and got surprise taken down, reversed, and used his big gas tank to finish hard. These fights can hardly be attributed to a faulty diet.......

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by Lance Freimuth

Ya got me, he did say Vegan chili, didn't catch that. At any rate, the guy still eats meat. Here he talks about how he doesn't think Veganism is a good idea, and he eats meat, but only 3 times a week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KRYBEVmes

This was at at the end of 09. I doubt he researched went Vegan, then decided to not go Vegan, and then decided to go back all within the span of a year.

I'm not even defending his diet. Some of his rationalizations for his diet are....suspicious...to say the best. But this whole idea of blaming a draw and a loss on a vegan diet is ridiculous.....he's not even close to a vegan.....

The guy is has never shown to be out of shape in a fight. He lost to a fluke 11 second KO and got surprise taken down, reversed, and used his big gas tank to finish hard. These fights can hardly be attributed to a faulty diet.......

And, not to argue with myself, but to more agree with you, the draw and loss could be a myriad of factors, one of them being a shit-tastic diet, another being the fact he lost he main sparring partner in the middle of the camp for the BJ fight (if I understand the timeline correctly). Losing a training partner that you've had your entire pro career is a pretty big fucking game changer. Add that in with a major diet change and you've got a recipe (see what I did there) for disaster.

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by Lance Freimuth

Bro....just stop.....you're stretching so far it's making my arm hurt.

Here's a food blog of Fitch a month before his BJ fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGFnGfsG-o

In case you watched, that's him eating some chili con carne a month before his fight with BJ.

OH NO! MEAT CAUSED HIM TO GO TO A DRAW!!!

Vegan chile con carne. Please, tell me more about your magic foods.

[Respeezy]

Originally Posted by Pathogenic

If there is anything I've learned from from 4.5 years of BJJ and judo, 3 years of wrestling, and a decade and a half of soccer, it's that athletes who aren't under supervision generally have no idea what they're doing with regard to nutrition. Most athletes aren't nerds like me; they're gnerally more concerned with the sports they play than their nutrition and are therefore easily swayed by convincing broscience.

Fitch does not eat enough protein, and, given that he is vegan, his protein is most likely incomplete.

You're not a really good nerd, if you still believe in this kind of nonsense.

[TeddyRoosevelt]

Originally Posted by Oblivian

Did anyone click the link that I put up there? Fitch himself said the Vegan diet caused him to get too low in weight and that he needs meat in there.

Clearly they did not, and willl continue arguing in an attempt to find an answer, when you already posted the answer they are trying to find.

[selfcritical]

Originally Posted by hardheart

If you don't think a major change to an athlete's diet is directly related to athletic performance, and want to cite ergo hoc ad propter hoc as the logical fallacy behind that, go ahead. You're basically showing that you're too stupid to understand what an actual logical fallacy is and also too stupid to accept that diet & nutrition are probably the biggest factor to an athletes health.

There are a lot of dominos between going vegan and getting KTFO by Hendricks, but the long and short of it is that Fitch went Vegan and fell off the map. I'm really interested to see if he's still vegan after the Eric Silva fight. He could be used as a bench mark of sorts. Maybe, if you go vegan, try to not compete for a year.

I don't think a vegan diet is optimal, but I'm pretty sure the torn MCL was more consequential in the KO than his diet.

[flex4life]

The Vegan diet seemed to work pretty good against top prospect Erik Silva.

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by selfcritical

I don't think a vegan diet is optimal, but I'm pretty sure the torn MCL was more consequential in the KO than his diet.

My point was the diet led to the MCL or at the very least contributed.