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Old 03-05-2012, 04:41 AM   #41

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Firstly, it's fighter's job to tap - an armbar is not a life threatening injury and so it is not the ref's business to stop it.

Secondly, 180 degrees? Study geometry much?

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Old 03-05-2012, 05:45 AM   #42

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Even if the ref stopped it sooner, he still has to wait until it is visibly broken or hyperextended before doing anything. He can't magically predict the breaking point and stop a split-second before.

At which point the damage is done. So its pretty irrelevant.

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Old 03-05-2012, 06:48 AM   #43
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:06 AM   #44

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I do agree. Tate's arm was bent backwards. This is where the ref has to step in.

And I don't know if this is a good answer for the guy that mentioned Vinny, but Vinny is one of the best BJJ practitioners in the world. He knows what's going on, he's not getting punched in the face, the crowd noise is virtually non-existent. It really is a totally different situation.

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Old 03-05-2012, 07:24 AM   #45

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Very well said TS, but wrong. It is the ring side doctors job to keep fighters from getting hurt. It is the Referee's job to make sure no rules are broken. You said it yourself that you would have been pissed if the fight were stopped by the ref and if he did it again you would soon be posting how bad a ref he was. I was 100% Tate's, Big Nog's, Machida's and any other professional fighters responsibility to tap when they can't continue. If this was an amateur fight you would have a case, but these are professional's more of the onus falls on them.

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Some fighters have amazing flexibility.They can hyperextend joints with no damage.Look at matt hughes against Royce.

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Old 03-05-2012, 08:54 AM   #47

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Referee did very well IMHO. Stop bit**ing.

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Old 03-05-2012, 09:49 AM   #48

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And what about what happened w/ Koschek suffering a broken orbital and fighting on.

I'd rather fight w/ a broker arm than a broken eye socket. The ref and/or doctor should've stopped that fight but Koschek carried on till the 5th round.

Meisha's case is just case of fighter's pride. She knew that arm was locked and she is not going anywhere. Should've tapped sooner.

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Old 03-05-2012, 10:03 AM   #49

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180 degrees in the wrong direction would mean the top of her forearm touching her underarm. That was more of a funky 90 degree angle.

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Old 03-05-2012, 10:04 AM   #50

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Should the ref have stopped the match in ADCC when Magalhaes beat Werdum after being stuck in a really tight armbar for a very long time with his elbow hyper extended popped the opposite direction before finally escaping and winning?

He was fine, went on to win on points and fought in an MMA fight a few weeks later.

There are no comparisons betweem Vinnys arm and Tates arm. Vinnys arms wasn't anywhere close to being in that kind of shape. The ref should have stopped the fight as soon as he saw the elbow pop. Its the safety of the fighters.

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