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Old 04-05-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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Do Children Belong to their Families, or to the Community?

Melissa Harris Perry recently said in an ad,

"We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to their communities."

You can see the ad here: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/ken...#ixzz2PcF6W3RD

Do you agree or disagree with Ms Perry?

I'm kind of reminded of the old Bastiat quote, "Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society." Or even the Rothbard quip, "The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State ... is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State."

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Old 04-05-2013, 01:59 PM   #2
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F that. F the whole community thing. Just because someone is my neighbor doesn't mean that they are like me.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:01 PM   #3
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Melissa Harris Perry recently said in an ad,

"We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to their communities."

You can see the ad here: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/ken...#ixzz2PcF6W3RD

Do you agree or disagree with Ms Perry?

I'm kind of reminded of the old Bastiat quote, "Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society." Or even the Rothbard quip, "The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State ... is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State."
Kids are wards of their parents, but don't "belong" to them.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:04 PM   #4
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She can fuck right off.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:05 PM   #5
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That's up to the community to decide.

It was the great Communist ideal that kids belong to the society and hence there were a lot of completely inhuman practices and goals like "children should be raised by the state because only the state can make sure they acquire good habits".

Needless to say, this is a philosophy that is often aligned with totalitarianism.

In general, it's up to the society to decide how the children are raised. In modern America I think most agree that family is the default unit for raising kids and being responsible for them as long as they don't violate abuse guidelines specified by the state. This is my view as well.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:06 PM   #6
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Kids are wards of their parents, but don't "belong" to them.
I definitely get what youre saying, and tend to agree. But the objection she threw up wasn't that they shouldn't be anyone's belonging, but instead that they should be the belonging of the community, which, for a person like MHP, means the state.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:11 PM   #7
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I don't think the word "belong" is fair. That makes it sound like the child is a possession. Children have the same individual rights as adults. Maybe responsibility is a better word. But I would say the parents have primary responsibility and society is secondary.

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calm down hillbillies, she's talking about a moral abstract concept, not a literal legal grab for your children to be wards of the state.

thought that'd be obvious, but i guess it's hard to process when you are a few chromosomes short of a functioning human.

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:16 PM   #9
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calm down hillbillies, she's talking about a moral abstract concept, not a literal legal grab for your children to be wards of the state.

thought that'd be obvious, but i guess it's hard to process when you are a few chromosomes short of a functioning human.
This.

Look at the abstract concept guys, it actually makes sense from a larger scale social standpoint. Stop imagining policemen kicking in your door to take your kids and guns, as well as having Tyrone bang your wife.

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I don't think the word "belong" is fair. That makes it sound like the child is a possession. Children have the same individual rights as adults. Maybe responsibility is a better word. But I would say the parents have primary responsibility and society is secondary.
Children dont have the same individual rights as adults, at least not from any legal perspective.

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calm down hillbillies, she's talking about a moral abstract concept, not a literal legal grab for your children to be wards of the state.

thought that'd be obvious, but i guess it's hard to process when you are a few chromosomes short of a functioning human.
Nah, did you check out the video? Shes bitching about voting and how we havent made good decisions through the state. No ones saying theyre gonna send all our kiddies off to pediatric concentration camps, but when she says community its clear she means the state.

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