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Old 12-03-2008, 08:26 PM   #1
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Best boxer in MMA

Who is the best boxer to enter MMA?

You don't see too many boxers make a good transition into mma other than Marcus Davis but many kickboxers have good transitions why is that?

I think if a top boxer learned some grappling and Thai Boxing he would be a animal.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:28 PM   #2
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Prepare for flaming.

Mark Hominick does ok standing.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:38 PM   #3
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I dont know why you think boxers dont make good transitions because almost all of them that were remotely decent have had much more success in MMA than in boxing. For example, Chris Lytle, Marcus Davis, Alessio Sakara and Marcus Hicks. All of whom were relatively average boxers who have been involved in big fights for the best MMA orgs in the world.

Right now, there is so much money in boxing that you're likely not going to get a good-elite boxer make the crossover. Because it just wouldnt make sense.

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That guy who beat Liddel was doing a good job boxing and then landed a devastating over hand right that would have made Hearns proud. No surprise he is from Michigan.

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That guy who beat Liddel was doing a good job boxing and then landed a devastating over hand right that would have made Hearns proud. No surprise he is from Michigan.
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That guy who beat Liddel was doing a good job boxing and then landed a devastating over hand right that would have made Hearns proud. No surprise he is from Michigan.
He does most of hes stand with Mike Winkeljohn whos a former kickboxer but i think hes had a couple boxing fights as well but id consider that to be kickboxing.

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He does most of hes stand with Mike Winkeljohn whos a former kickboxer but i think hes had a couple boxing fights as well but id consider that to be kickboxing.
Looked like he was moving around keeping Liddel off with a jab to me, but I admit I had been drinking that night.

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To me it's Bj Penn

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:56 PM   #9
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I say BJ Penn with his jab against short stuff. I don't watch too much MMA anymore so I can't really give you many names. But both Rampage and Rashad Evans have fair hands. Nothing spectacular at all. They took advanage of Chuck's overrated and horrible form striking.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:59 PM   #10
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You don't see too many boxers make a good transition into mma other than Marcus Davis but many kickboxers have good transitions why is that?
Before Kabuki dumps this:
It's not about a "good transition into MMA."
It's the fact that no elite boxer in his prime has ever competed in MMA because there's no money in it.
3 million dollar paydays up to 20 million per fight at the top in Boxing compared to 70 thousand dollars or so in the UFC.

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I think if a top boxer learned some grappling and Thai Boxing he would be a animal.
I think elite Boxers would be MMA champions with some intensive grappling training.
Currently, most MMA fighters boxing skills are pretty bad.
Sloppy footwork, wild telegraphed haymakers, hockey fight scenarios, no head movement, looped shots, Superman punches, etc.
St. Pierre, BJ Penn, KJ Noons are a few that stand out as having decent Boxing skills, but even they couldn't succeed in Boxing or they'd be there already for the big paydays.

Elite boxers get to the top out of a talent pool of about about 70 thousand participants.
MMA fighters talent pool is probably 6 or 7 thousand participants.

The elite combat athletes compete where the real money is.
That's why MMA is comprised of primarily world-class grapplers but no world-class strikers.
Lesser athletes who can't compete for the big Boxing money are currently MMA champions with top grappling and half-arsed Boxing skills.

It'll happen when the paydays get competitive with Boxing paydays.
I look forward to it.
World-class strikers in MMA. It's coming.


EDIT: After Kid McCoy, the great edumacater.


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